"Transformations - Saiyan": Various Updates
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"Transformations - Saiyan": Various Updates
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Significant updates. Lots of little things added here and there for the USSJ stages, and a whole new section added for "Full-Power Super Saiyan." Did a crapload of manga reading today, so I'm fairly sure I've covered anything and everything that's there. Give it all a read-through, though. Lemme know.
Significant updates. Lots of little things added here and there for the USSJ stages, and a whole new section added for "Full-Power Super Saiyan." Did a crapload of manga reading today, so I'm fairly sure I've covered anything and everything that's there. Give it all a read-through, though. Lemme know.
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Oh! I also added some extra notes about Vegetto & Gogeta in the SSJ1 & SSJ2 sections. Bite me, IGN.
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That was retarded .
ON-TOPIC! ^^;;
ON-TOPIC! ^^;;
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Any (other real) comments at all? Thinking of updating with this, later on today.
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We only note the first time a transformation takes place. For something like Oozaru it's not that often, but imagine if we noted every single time Goku went SSJ1... ^^;;
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And now to make up for my completly random comment earlier, time for some real commentary!
I always thought that the "FPSSJ" defintion was rather stupid, since people seem to believe that it is its own form, like USSJ, but whatever. Now, I always assumed that when Toriyama had them come out of the Room of Spirit and Time, it was because they had literally reached the limits of Super Saiyan (something which would change later on, so the story could progress of course). I don't recall it being said exactly, but I thought Goku was hinting at that, for the reason why they came out early, and didn't take a second turn.
I always thought that the "FPSSJ" defintion was rather stupid, since people seem to believe that it is its own form, like USSJ, but whatever. Now, I always assumed that when Toriyama had them come out of the Room of Spirit and Time, it was because they had literally reached the limits of Super Saiyan (something which would change later on, so the story could progress of course). I don't recall it being said exactly, but I thought Goku was hinting at that, for the reason why they came out early, and didn't take a second turn.
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Haven't written it, yet .Deus ex Machina wrote:Say, what ever happened to you making notes on Super Saiyan 5?
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Actually, What about from near the end of the 10th anniversary special? Goku did sorta power up after Ha-chan was killed. If you ask me it was kinda similar to the Quasi-SSJ, exept with a Blue aura instead of a gold one.... If you look at it his hair DOES stand on end SSJ style a bit.... (although it does seem to go up and down a bit) Hmm.... Well, just a suggestion....
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NOTES: The term "Super Saiyan Full Power" is coined in the second daizenshuu (it appears nowhere in the manga). It also notes that Goku's aura, while his Super Saiyan power is drawn out to its limits, is "different." There is no indication that either Goku and/or Gohan have reached their "maximum power" while in this stage; in fact, that's quite an outlandish claim to make. There is always room for improvement. Goku and Gohan do indeed grow stronger with time, pushing the Super Saiyan stage to its limits time and time again.
While they were at a picnic, during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, Gohan asks "Father, is it really alright for us to be relaxing like this?" and Goku's reply was "I told you it wouldn't do any good if we tried to train a lot more now. We've already reached our limits."
So apparently, Full Power Super Saiyan is literally their 'full power'.
While they were at a picnic, during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games, Gohan asks "Father, is it really alright for us to be relaxing like this?" and Goku's reply was "I told you it wouldn't do any good if we tried to train a lot more now. We've already reached our limits."
So apparently, Full Power Super Saiyan is literally their 'full power'.
君と再会ったとき 子供のころ大切に想っていた景色を思い出したんだ
僕と踊ってくれないか 光と影の Winding Road いまでも彼に夢中なの?
僕と踊ってくれないか 光と影の Winding Road いまでも彼に夢中なの?
Sorry if this was brought up already somewhere else, but I think there's an error in the SSJ2 section of the Saiyan Transformation Guide. It says Gohan transformed in ep 155, but shouldn't this say 184? Also, Majin Vegeta is listed as transforming in episode 162, but it would have had to be well after episode 200 since that's when the Buu saga was. Same thing with Goku in the next entry.
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Huh, you're right. I wonder where that came from. I'm pretty sure someone pointed it out to me before, too, and I just ignored it... like a dumbass... anyway, yeah. Someone got the correct Goku/Vegeta episode numbers? Chapters aren't a problem (Julian can just look 'em up).
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