FUNimation dub of Kai vs full/original DBZ accuracy

[penguintruth]

I can't think of a worse voice for Goku than Sean Schemmel.

Gilbert Gottfried.

Obviously I meant of the people who've already voiced the character for the Funimation dub.

But that is a colorful rejoinder.

[Rocketman]

That's how some of the actors in the dub pronounce it.

Yes, but:

1. It's not a Japanese word.

2. Go here, click the little audio button and tell me what you hear.

[DemonRin]

That's how some of the actors in the dub pronounce it.

Yes, but:

1. It's not a Japanese word.

2. Go here, click the little audio button and tell me what you hear.

Yes it is, it's a Japanese word that's a pun on that one.
It means "Destructive Turtle Wave" in Japanese. Get it? Kame, as in "Kamesen'nin" as in "Turtle Hermit" as in "The Turtle Hermit style's signature attack"?

[Rocketman]

Yes it is, it's a Japanese word that's a pun on that one.
It means "Destructive Turtle Wave" in Japanese. Get it? Kame, as in "Kamesen'nin" as in "Turtle Hermit" as in "The Turtle Hermit style's signature attack"?

'Hame' doesn't mean 'destruction'.

[DemonRin]

Now you're just splitting hairs.

Fine, It means "Turtle Fissure/Cracking Wave".

Want me to go uber-literal, fine then.

[Rocketman]

Now you're just splitting hairs.

Fine, It means "Turtle Fissure/Cracking Wave".

Want me to go uber-literal, fine then.

I was pretty sure that 'hame' doesn't actually mean anything on its own.

[DemonRin]

My Dictionary says "Crack/Fissure" and that the Kanji is 破目

Maybe I'm wrong, Kamehameha is an odd attack that was made for the pun's sake, but regardless, ignoring the "Hame".
"Kame" Means turtle, and "Ha" means wave.'

It's a Japanese word with a pun on the Hawaiian one. The point is that it's a "Wave" attack made by the "Kamesen'nin"

[Kunzait_83]

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[Metalwario64]

I feel like I’m the only person on this whole forum who honestly thinks that MasakoX’s Goku just isn’t THAT cool.

Yes, it’s perfectly good for a fan parody and I like it just fine in that context… but all this wishing that the voice be used in an actual redub of the series is just blowing it entirely way the hell out of proportion.

I completely agree. You are not alone, as I have been stating the same thing in the past. I tend to refrain from posting about it because I can't tell if people are joking or not when they state that.

[penguintruth]

I geniunely believe that MasakoX's Goku is exactly how Goku should sound in English. It's certainly miles ahead of any of the professional dub voices for him that Funimation has provided. It's not a joke at all to say he's the best one for the job. I've always imagined Goku to sound like that in English, and whnever I read the manga, that's the voice I hear in my mind, when I don't hear Nozawa's.

In doing a parody of the character, MasakoX has actually come the closest to capturing his personality, his free spirit. Or rather, it's Sean Schemmel's Goku that should be considered the parody.

Now, I'm not demanding Funimatin hire MasakoX, but they need to look in that direction, as far as the voice, to get at least a decent dub Goku. Hell, if they can get Schemmel himself to go in that direction, more power to them, and him. They'll be on the right track.

[Gaffer Tape]

I certainly agree that MasakoX is by far the best English Goku ever, and he has the character down perfectly. It's interesting, of course, that he is basically aping Peter Kelamis, though, who was controversial when he replaced Ian Corlett. As for me, I thought Kelamis was great as Goku, and even though MasakoX is somewhat of a caricature, he seems to have enough talent to pull it off and still be natural.

And, yes, Kame Hame Ha should be said just like that, not Kamayamaya. Obviously it's not referring to the king of Hawaii, and the fact that it's the same word could just be coincidence anyway. To pronounce it the dub way destroys the play on sounds that was originally intended. Kamehameha sounds silly just like it's supposed to. I would use a similar argument as to why I pronounce Mr. Satan as Sah-tan instead of Say-tan, but I doubt as many people would get behind me on that. ^_~

Finally, in the end, I barely watch Dragon Ball Kai as it is, so I doubt I'll ever have any interest in watching the dub of it, but that does not mean that I won't have interest in them getting the dub right. I care about the franchise, so it is certainly my wish that the North American fandom gets out of its heads the misrepresentation of the series that has perpetuated itself since the mid-90s. The Dragon Box doing away with the replaced musical score is a step in the right direction. Now FUNimation needs to continue that trend of admitting their mistakes and use Kai as an opportunity to present Dragon Ball faithfully... finally.

[jjgp1112]

I feel like I’m the only person on this whole forum who honestly thinks that MasakoX’s Goku just isn’t THAT cool.

Yes, it’s perfectly good for a fan parody and I like it just fine in that context… but all this wishing that the voice be used in an actual redub of the series is just blowing it entirely way the hell out of proportion.

I completely agree. You are not alone, as I have been stating the same thing in the past. I tend to refrain from posting about it because I can't tell if people are joking or not when they state that.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS.

Seriously, I just can't wrap my finger around it.

And I wouldn't change any of the cast. In their current state, they're all perfect for their characters (IN MY OPINION), so there shouldn't be any issues with casting.

And, yes, Kame Hame Ha should be said just like that, not Kamayamaya. Obviously it's not referring to the king of Hawaii, and the fact that it's the same word could just be coincidence anyway. To pronounce it the dub way destroys the play on sounds that was originally intended. Kamehameha sounds silly just like it's supposed to. I would use a similar argument as to why I pronounce Mr. Satan as Sah-tan instead of Say-tan, but I doubt as many people would get behind me on that. ^_~

Do you seriously think that calling the attack "Kamehameha" of all things COULDN'T POSSIBLY be a reference to the King Of Hawaii and that's it's just pure coincidence? Like, really?

[Greenman]

Now, I'm not demanding Funimatin hire MasakoX, but they need to look in that direction, as far as the voice, to get at least a decent dub Goku. Hell, if they can get Schemmel himself to go in that direction, more power to them, and him. They'll be on the right track.

I'm glad you aren't. They'd need to teach him how to act first. And they've already been doing the 'Peter Kelamis impersonator' direction. How 'bout a new one?

[Metalwario64]

Now, I'm not demanding Funimatin hire MasakoX, but they need to look in that direction, as far as the voice, to get at least a decent dub Goku. Hell, if they can get Schemmel himself to go in that direction, more power to them, and him. They'll be on the right track.

I'm glad you aren't. They'd need to teach him how to act first. And they've already been doing the 'Peter Kelamis impersonator' direction. How 'bout a new one?

Well... Now that you've said it, I might as well make a post... I had a post written up saying something similar, but I was hesitant. Yeah, Schemmel's early Season Three work was definitely a Kelamis imitation... And look how well that worked... We don't want him going back into that direction.

I mean, how can one admit that MasakoX's Goku is nothing more than a Kelamis imitation, and then say that he is by far, undoubtedly, irrefutably the best English Goku voice there ever was with a completely different direction than any other English Goku? I mean, he's not bad, but where is this sentiment that he is the perfect English Goku coming from? How can you hate Kelamis, but love MasakoX? That would be like saying you hate Sabat's Vegeta, but love Lanipator's and wish Sabat would go with Lanipator's direction, which is... Sabat's direction... If there is one thing I can credit MasakoX for though, is that he does do a good Kelamis impression. His lines tend to be a bit on the flat side comparatively though, but he is doing this independently, for free.

Now, don't get me wrong, and I definitely don't want to come off too harsh, especially since MasakoX is a member of this forum, so I don't want him reading this and thinking that I'm completely trashing him; I'm not. I know it's opinion and everything, but it legitimately confuses me as to how so many people feel that way, especially when they contradict themselves while making that statement.

Like Kunzait_83 said: it just seems to be blown waaaaay out of proportion.

And also, you're nuts if you think MasakoX is superior to 23rd World Tournament era Schemmel.

[penguintruth]

I must be nuts, then, because Schemmel's work in Dragon Ball was just as bad as his work in Dragon Ball Z to me. And don't get me started on Chris Sabat's Piccolo in DB. That shit may fly with Piccolo Daimao (and largely worked with him), but with Ma Junior? No.

Also, to me, MasakoX's Goku is like Peter Kelamis if Kelamis was more consistent. Kelamis had his moments, but at other times sounded very forced and uncomfortable with the role. MasakoX always sounds comfortable in the role, like it's natural.

I've been back to the Ocean dubs of movies 1-3 recently (a few months back before my Dragon Box came in) and while Kelamis is still the best of the professional English VAs to play Goku (and I've said so here several times), he isn't quite as good as I recall, and lacks a lot of polish. I daresay, MasakoX has some of the polish that was necessary.

Okay, it sounds odd, just like I'm hopping on the Abridged bandwagon, but frankly, the other VAs in it just seem like mere parody voices, but MasakoX's sounds exactly what I imagine as Goku's English voice.

Look, I'm fine if they go a completely different direction, too. As long as it sounds the way Goku would sound.

[Metalwario64]

I must be nuts, then, because Schemmel's work in Dragon Ball was just as bad as his work in Dragon Ball Z to me.

Dude, you missed the smilies at the end; I was messing around.

[Rocketman]

I suggest a compromise. Schemmel stays as Goku, but he has to take a breath of helium before his lines.

[Metalwario64]

I suggest a compromise. Schemmel stays as Goku, but he has to take a breath of helium before his lines.

Nah, they can do that with computers nowadays...

[Gaffer Tape]

And, yes, Kame Hame Ha should be said just like that, not Kamayamaya. Obviously it's not referring to the king of Hawaii, and the fact that it's the same word could just be coincidence anyway. To pronounce it the dub way destroys the play on sounds that was originally intended. Kamehameha sounds silly just like it's supposed to. I would use a similar argument as to why I pronounce Mr. Satan as Sah-tan instead of Say-tan, but I doubt as many people would get behind me on that. ^_~

Do you seriously think that calling the attack "Kamehameha" of all things COULDN'T POSSIBLY be a reference to the King Of Hawaii and that's it's just pure coincidence? Like, really?

Well, of course there's the possibility, but I just don't see it as likely. What do we know for sure? We know that it's a Turtle School attack, or Kamesen-style. It begins with that name: "Kame." It ends with a "Ha" as do several other attacks. "Hame" rhymes with "Kame." Sounds like Toriyama's style of humor. Plus, Kamehameha is by far the most recognizable attack from the show. You would think that, if he had lifted it from the King of Hawaii, he might have mentioned that at some point. But as far as I know, no reference has ever been made to the fact that they are the same name. And, perhaps most importantly of all, that's how they pronounce it! Even assuming the attack name was inspired by the person's name, they chose to take it in a different direction and emphasize the pronounciation gag. Honestly, even if Toriyama did explicitly choose the attack name to honor King Kamehameha, the fact is they still pronounce it the way they do, and that's really all that matters.

[Rocketman]

Honestly, even if Toriyama did explicitly choose the attack name to honor King Kamehameha, the fact is they still pronounce it the way they do, and that's really all that matters.

Well...they also pronounce it 'Seru' and 'Torankusu'...