Kai Episode 57 (16 May 2010)

[linkdude20002001]

It's interesting how some foreign countries seem to get things right that the English dubs get wrong. "Kami"'s called "God" in most countries, right? Though, they do have some of their own flaws, I've noticed.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't think it necessarily flew past Funi. Funi just realized that calling 19 a cyborg made no sense so they used android instead. Then of course android doesn't make much sense for 17 and 18 but by that time they were already using the term and for consistency they kept it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Well, granted, if we're just talking about the anime (which is what FUNimation would of course be involved with), Trunks was referring to #17 and #18 when he said cyborgs, as the specific line from the manga referencing #19 and #20 had been removed. So by that retconned logic, saying "cyborgs" there would have made complete sense.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I don't get it. Why use android when there were only ever two androids, but there were at least four cyborgs. Apparently 17 says something about it being strange that Dr Gero went back to using a human base after finally creating a successful android, so it's very likely that most of Dr Gero's creations were cyborgs (1~15, 17, 18, & 20). If that's the case, then shouldn't it be the Cyborg line?

"Cyborg #16" doesn't make any sense, though.

[jjgp1112]

Android 16
Cyborg 17
Cyborg 18
Android 19
Cyborg 20

Now, does that listing make any bit of sense or have any consistency within it?

EDIT: FIXED. I got Android 19 and 20 confused, so no more "HURR HURR 19 ISN'T A CYBORG YOU'RE WRONG" posts

[JulieYBM]

Android 16
Cyborg 17
Cyborg 18
Cyborg 19
Android 20

Now, does that listing make any bit of sense or have any consistency within it?

#19's not a cyborg.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Android 16
Cyborg 17
Cyborg 18
Cyborg 19
Android 20

Now, does that listing make any bit of sense or have any consistency within it?

Nope. (*snort* Cyborg 19 *snort*)

[Blue]

Since there's no all inclusive term in English for the Androids would it be too Wapanese to just leave it as Jinzoningen? Usually I'm all for translating terms into English but when there's no equivalent phrase should it just be left alone?

Edit: Looks like Toriyama doesn't even know what he wants to call them. I suppose if the author doesn't care we shouldn't either.

[TonyTheTiger]

Jinzoningen itself makes no sense in some cases. No way in hell 19 is even remotely human or pretending to be. Leaving it untranslated would confuse the shit out of everybody watching and still not be any more accurate.

[Senzu_Bean]

I noticed in the first episode of Kai the Red Ribbon isn't mentioned on the prologue. How is suppose people know what Trunks is talking about in this episode?

[dan2026]

I noticed in the first episode of Kai the Red Ribbon isn't mentioned on the prologue. How is suppose people know what Trunks is talking about in this episode?

How were people supposed to know if they started watched with DBZ?
Dr. Gero was a massive retcon anyway, he was never mentioned during the actual Red Ribbon Arc.

[JulieYBM]

I noticed in the first episode of Kai the Red Ribbon isn't mentioned on the prologue. How is suppose people know what Trunks is talking about in this episode?

How were people supposed to know if they started watched with DBZ?
Dr. Gero was a massive retcon anyway, he was never mentioned during the actual Red Ribbon Arc.

Well, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z did air one after the other so it's assumed that would be how.

It's be pretty neat if Toei did a flashback in the next episode or two similar to the one in episode #1.

[Senzu_Bean]

I noticed in the first episode of Kai the Red Ribbon isn't mentioned on the prologue. How is suppose people know what Trunks is talking about in this episode?

How were people supposed to know if they started watched with DBZ?

This is Dragonball Kai. It is an independent story from what I can tell. It isn't DBZ nor DB, so something like this shouldn't have happened.

[linkdude20002001]

Jinzoningen itself makes no sense in some cases. No way in hell 19 is even remotely human or pretending to be. Leaving it untranslated would confuse the shit out of everybody watching and still not be any more accurate.

Actually, it would be more accurate. Jinzōningen means "robot; cyborg" according to Denshi Jisho. Therefore, it covers all creations of Dr Gero.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Jinzo-ningen can also be translated as android; in fact, I think it usually is (for instance, the Japanese Wikipedia entry for jinzo-ningen gets redirected to the English page for androids).

[dan2026]

This is Dragonball Kai. It is an independent story from what I can tell. It isn't DBZ nor DB, so something like this shouldn't have happened.

How is it an independent story?
Kai is just DBZ with the fat cut off and a makeover.

[TonyTheTiger]

Jinzoningen itself makes no sense in some cases. No way in hell 19 is even remotely human or pretending to be. Leaving it untranslated would confuse the shit out of everybody watching and still not be any more accurate.

Actually, it would be more accurate. Jinzōningen means "robot; cyborg" according to Denshi Jisho. Therefore, it covers all creations of Dr Gero.

I'm pretty certain jinzoningen requires there to be something human about the machine in question. That's pretty much what "jin" means, "person." You wouldn't call the T-1s from Terminator 3 "Jinzoningen" for instance. But in that respect, #19? Yeah, not a jinzoningen unless the "human/person" part is stretched really thin. If you count the movies, toss 14 and 15 in there, too.

[Adamant]

How were people supposed to know if they started watched with DBZ?

They weren't supposed to start watching with DBZ in the first place.

How is it an independent story?
Kai is just DBZ with the fat cut off and a makeover.

It's presented as one, and it has enough background information and flashbacks in the first few episodes to kinda-sorta function as one.

[dan2026]

It's presented as one, and it has enough background information and flashbacks in the first few episodes to kinda-sorta function as one.

True, Kai can function as a standalone better than 'Z' ever could.

[Sshadow5001]

Wow, that is so glitched and corrupted that I can barely make it out...

It's KeyHole

Whats Keyhole mean?

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Whats Keyhole mean?

It mean the quality is shit!