The Dragon Ball Wiki

[SSJGoku93]

Hey how's it going guys?
So I'm an administrator over on the Dragon Ball Wiki... and I know how bad a reputation the site seems to get from you guys and the guys from Kanzentai etc.,and that is perfectly understandable. However, we are currently trying are absolute best to fix the problems of inaccuracy's, fan terms, and speculations as much as possible. I joined the Wiki in 2008, and it was dreadful then, horribly dreadful. Now, we have a team of dedicated users trying their very best to fix it, and you have to admit it has gotten better no? I simply wanted to know what you guys think of the current improvements, what can be done further to alleviate the problems, and even to ask for your help as well, in whatever form it may be! Maintaining Wiki's are different in the sense that anyone can edit them, so it always is a bit more of a challenge. Hopefully some positive feedback can come from this, and continuous improvements can be made! We are all fans of Dragon Ball in the end, so why not work together to assure truthful resources about our beloved series?

Thanks guys!

[Kid Buu]

I think for the quotes you should say it the quote is from the dubbed version or the original Japanese version, that may help avoid confusion.

[Bussani]

I'm not really bothered by fan/dub terms as much as some people. It's the accuracy of the information I care about, since that's the whole point of looking something up on a wiki. As such, the only advice I can think of is to make sure all the information is accurate and has good citations, so people can see where it comes from and can easily check it for themselves. Some [citation needed]s on the stuff that can't be verified goes a long way, too.

[Gaffer Tape]

I am bothered by fan/dub terms, because, like you say, Bussani, it's the accuracy of the information I care about, and neither of those are.

[jjgp1112]

Demanding they use the original names instead of the dub names/fan names is a little nitpicky though, don't you think? Either way, you're still getting the exact same info.

[Gaffer Tape]

First of all, I'm not demanding anything, so please don't make it out like I am. The guy asked for feedback. I'm giving it to him. And while dub terms might be considered reliable and factual from a certain area of the fanbase, there is absolutely no legitimate argument for "fan terms" from anybody. No matter where you're coming from, fan-created terms and theories have no place in an encyclopedic, "scholarly" resource.

EDIT: A bit of clarification: Fan-created terms and theories have no place being presented as any kind of fact in an encyclopedic, "scholarly" resource. They should be minimized to near non-existance in the first place, but if they HAVE to be there at all, they HAVE to be clearly labeled as speculation.

[SonEric84]

Well, at the very least they could specify between what is a dub only name and what is from the original material. In fact, putting both in there would be extra helpful for fans of both versions.

[jjgp1112]

First of all, I'm not demanding anything, so please don't make it out like I am. The guy asked for feedback. I'm giving it to him. And while dub terms might be considered reliable and factual from a certain area of the fanbase, there is absolutely no legitimate argument for "fan terms" from anybody. No matter where you're coming from, fan-created terms and theories have no place in an encyclopedic, "scholarly" resource.

EDIT: A bit of clarification: Fan-created terms and theories have no place being presented as any kind of fact in an encyclopedic, "scholarly" resource. They should be minimized to near non-existance in the first place, but if they HAVE to be there at all, they HAVE to be clearly labeled as speculation.

Well, I didn't say fan theories, but whatever. Just fan-terms for stuff that don't necessarily have a name and would be hard to identify otherwise.

[SSJGoku93]

As far as dub terms go, the community took a vote while creating our Manual of Style (something all Wiki's create and follow) that we would use English dub terms when applicable (as we are the English wiki), for example having just "Goku" rather than "Son Goku". However, in the article Goku's original Japanese name is stated as such, as well as a list of alternate names he had been given throughout the years.

As far as fan terms, we have shortened these down to the point where I am unable to find any, but the search continues. jjgp1112, you mentioned terms for stuff that do not have a "true name", a prime example we used was Frieza's organization, in which we named it "Planet Trade Organization", as Krillin does refer to it as the "planet trade" at one point, so this helps to identify what it is (we also note it as a term used to identify the organization). I really appreciate the feedback guys, helps a lot!

[Gaffer Tape]

RE: jjpg1112

Yes, but remember that DB Wiki-created terms like "World Trade Organization" or whatever it was have been passed off on these very boards by people who came across the term there and mistakenly assumed it was fact and actually used somewhere in the series.

I'm certainly no expert on their site, so I can't answer his question about whether or not there have been noticeable improvements. Maybe someone a bit more astute can answer that. And again, I'm not making demands. The crew at their site have every right in the world to make their Wiki exactly what they want it to be. But he's right when he says it's no secret that a lot of posters here don't consider it to be a hugely credible source of information. I mean, when there's a huge thread over the way about the very topic and DaizEX's and Kanzentai's joint efforts of making their own DB web encyclopedia from the ground up, it should be pretty obvious.

But I hope he finds what he's looking for here, and I would like to be whatever help I can be (if any--I have no idea if I have absolutely anything of value to offer).

EDIT: Haha, he pointed out the very same fan term I did at the exact same time I was writing it.

[SSJGoku93]

RE: jjpg1112

Yes, but remember that DB Wiki-created terms like "World Trade Organization" or whatever it was have been passed off on these very boards by people who came across the term there and mistakenly assumed it was fact and actually used somewhere in the series.

I'm certainly no expert on their site, so I can't answer his question about whether or not there have been noticeable improvements. Maybe someone a bit more astute can answer that. And again, I'm not making demands. The crew at their site have every right in the world to make their Wiki exactly what they want it to be. But he's right when he says it's no secret that a lot of posters here don't consider it to be a hugely credible source of information. I mean, when there's a huge thread over the way about the very topic and DaizEX's and Kanzentai's joint efforts of making their own DB web encyclopedia from the ground up, it should be pretty obvious.

But I hope he finds what he's looking for here, and I would like to be whatever help I can be (if any--I have no idea if I have absolutely anything of value to offer).

EDIT: Haha, he pointed out the very same fan term I did at the exact same time I was writing it.

Yes that was one bad example of our mistake, we failed to note that was a term we used to give the group a name. We've since corrected that to the best of our ability.

[MisterFlashdude]

As far as dub terms go, the community took a vote while creating our Manual of Style (something all Wiki's create and follow) that we would use English dub terms when applicable (as we are the English wiki), for example having just "Goku" rather than "Son Goku". However, in the article Goku's original Japanese name is stated as such, as well as a list of alternate names he had been given throughout the years.

There are other sources of English Dragon Ball aside from Funimation's dub. I haven't even watched the anime in close to a decade; I think it has painful pacing and time has not been kind to the animation quality. However, I read the English manga quite frequently and he's definitely Son Goku there. I'd consider it more appropriate to claim you are the "Funimation-inclined wiki" as opposed to the "English one".

[SSJGoku93]

As far as dub terms go, the community took a vote while creating our Manual of Style (something all Wiki's create and follow) that we would use English dub terms when applicable (as we are the English wiki), for example having just "Goku" rather than "Son Goku". However, in the article Goku's original Japanese name is stated as such, as well as a list of alternate names he had been given throughout the years.

There are other sources of English Dragon Ball aside from Funimation's dub. I haven't even watched the anime in close to a decade; I think it has painful pacing and time has not been kind to the animation quality. However, I read the English manga quite frequently and he's definitely Son Goku there. I'd consider it more appropriate to claim you are the "Funimation-inclined wiki" as opposed to the "English one".

You are mainly right, we do follow the FUNimation names and the anime more so than the manga, a majority of our editors are American after all.

[MisterFlashdude]

You are mainly right, we do follow the FUNimation names and the anime more so than the manga, a majority of our editors are American after all.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you implying the manga isn't available in America or that, as Americans, you don't like to read?

[Blue]

To be fair if they go by the VIZ manga then they start using Djin,Vegerot and the H word and people complain anyway.

As for the wiki itself there's just a LOT of worthless fan terminology,fan theories and unneeded trivia that clutters up everything. Stuff like "When General Blue uses his ultimate attack against 3rd form Freeza it resembles a scene from a movie!" isn't necessary. Mentioning of cluttered the wiki is very messy when you start getting deeper into it. When you go into the episode guide episode summaries will be very poorly written and bullet points will be in the wrong section. As someone else said, demand citations. That stupid "Piccolo was supposed to turn MAJIN!" trivia point has been up there forever and that is blatantly false and often pointed at as a prime example of how inaccurate the DB wiki is.

I can't phrase my third point without sounding like a purist stereotype of a Daizexer so I'll try to make it as brief and as nice as possible.You guys go by the Funimation script meaning you get all the inaccurate dialogue and terminology that goes along with it. The wiki will never be looked upon very fondly by a good portion of people who enjoy the original version because of that.

You have every right to do with your wiki what you wish and I hope you have the best of luck.

[Makaioshin]

This probably isn't your greatest concerned but your pages are way too cluttered. I don't see the point in there being so many quotes and pictures on one page. Not to mention the trivia section which is a long list of random facts, useless information, and some false information.
And what do you plan on doing about out of date dub names, like "Destructo Disk" and "Special Beam Canon"?

[Blue]

Not to mention the trivia section which is a long list of random facts, useless information, and some false information.

Oy, talk about a much shorter and nicer way of phrasing that. Thank you.

[UristtheGreat]

You have loads of unnecessary pages. I saw a page about the "War on Rygol 7", that never happened at all, just offhandedly mentioned. That's really sloppy.

[Taku128]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Ginyu_Bowling_Team

More articles like this please.

[Blue]

You have loads of unnecessary pages. I saw a page about the "War on Rygol 7", that never happened at all, just offhandedly mentioned. That's really sloppy.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Ginyu_Bowling_Team

More articles like this please.

Lot of good points coming up here, it's this type of thing that's stopping your project from even being a well put together dub exclusive wiki. Sometimes less is more.