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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:25 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Does anyone have a fusion equation for potara or fusion dance? Just curious as to if anyone actually does (especially potara, concerning Vegetto and Kibitoshin).
Nope, no formulas here. There's no evident consistency in the story, and nothing given to us beyond "stronger than the sum of the parts" and "Potara Fusion is better than the Fusion Dance." Which means there's probably way too many variables to consider. Especially with Potara, which doesn't have the Fusion Dance's body/power requirements and thus can probably be affected by a vast number of things. Far as I'm concerned, the power of a Fusion is 99% plot-based.
Darkron2151 wrote:And if anyone does what are your levels for:
Gotenks
*Gogeta (Buu Arc)
*Gokhan (Buu Arc/Potara)
Vegetto
Kibitoshin
Gotenks: Before the Room of Spirit and Time, his Super Saiyan self is a small notch weaker than SS2 Vegeta or Goku (as I think is the simplest interpretation of what his Daizenshuu bio says). After it, his Super Saiyan is on-par with Fat Boo and about half as strong as SS3 Goku, and his Super Saiyan 3 thus caps out about 4 times stronger than Goku's. His base form never matters.

Gogeta: Old Kaioshin plainly says that Goku and Vegeta were the primary reason for Vegetto's strength, not the Potara. Which leads me to believe Gogeta wouldn't be all that far behind, probably only a few times weaker. I see him about equal with Gotenks- or Gohan-absorbed Boo as a regular Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan 2 then puts him well beyond them but still somewhat weaker than Super Vegetto.

Kuhan: ("Gokan" is apparently a word for "rape" in Japanese, so I use this fan-name instead.) A Goku-Gohan Potara Fusion would be tricky... because Goku and Gohan's powers worked very differently at the time. Goku gets 99% of his power from Super Saiyan 1 through 3, while Gohan had way MORE power than Goku WITHOUT any Super Saiyan forms. So I think a Fusion between them would be like a hybrid... an extremely powerful base form which only doubles or something with Super Saiyan. So he'd be able to handle Boo with his mega-base like Kaioshin suggested, but as a Super Saiyan would still be weaker than Vegetto, who was labeled "definitely strongest."

Vegetto: Probably about 3 times stronger than Gohan-Boo as a Super Saiyan. He was completely humiliating Boo without even using his full power. I don't care about filler and thus his base form isn't important... but working backwards from Super Saiyan, it'd be on a high Super Saiyan 2 level. Maybe almost as strong as Fat Boo.

Merged Kaioshin: The closest thing I have to a "formula" for Potara Fusion is a nifty fan-theory I've adopted. It says that even though Potara doesn't require the individuals to be similar like the Fusion Dance does, it still yields a better Fusion if they are similar. All else being equal, an optimal Potara Fusion will end up a good chunk stronger than a Fusion Dance by the same two people. But if they're not a good match, then the resulting power boost could be significantly less.

So this is what I think happened for Kaioshin and Kibito. They're the same race (Core-people), but drastically different in body and power. So Kaioshin (a bit behind the Super Saiyans) and Kibito (around as strong as the base Saiyans) only ended up a few times stronger via the Potara, and the resulting merged Kaioshin was on a high Super Saiyan 2 level. He's significantly stronger, but still no real help against Majin Boo. Even SS2 Vegeta was more helpful because Kaioshin's generally inept and was better off being used for teleportation and healing than combat.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:12 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Does anyone have a fusion equation for potara or fusion dance? Just curious as to if anyone actually does (especially potara, concerning Vegetto and Kibitoshin). And if anyone does what are your levels for:

Gotenks
*Gogeta (Buu Arc)
*Gokhan (Buu Arc/Potara)
Vegetto
Kibitoshin

(*=Hypothetical)
My Fusion Multiplier is (A+B) x Plot.

(Goten + Trunks) x 2.5 = Gotenks - 160,000,000
-- Super Saiyan - 8,000,000,000
-- (Goten + Trunks) x 5 = RoSaT Gotenks - 360,000,000
-- Super Saiyan - 18,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 144,000,000,000

(Vegeta + Goku) x 25 = Gogeta - 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan - 225,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 - 450,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 1,800,000,000,000

Gohan x 2 = Son Kuhan - 360,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan - 720,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 - 900,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 1,080,000,000,000 *note: Gohan's weird rearranged Ultimate power is messing with the Super Saiyan Multipliers.

(Goku + Vegeta) x 100 = Vegetto - 18,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan - 900,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 - 1,800,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 7,200,000,000,000

Kaioshin x 2.5 = Kibitoshin - 7,500,000,000
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:49 am

Darkron2151 wrote:What are ya'll's thoughts on all of the Kaioshin (North, South, East, West, Dai)? As well as Kibito and also Kibitoshin? How strong were they compared to Buu (Pure)?
Kibito: 40,000,000.
East Kaioshin: 4,000,000,000.
North/West Kaioshin: 6,000,000,000.
Kaioshin(merged with Kibito): 8,080,000,000.
Great Kaioshin: 10,000,000,000.

South Kaioshin: 80,000,000,000.

Kid Buu: 40,000,000,000.
-South Kaioshin absorbed: 120,000,000,000.
Darkron2151 wrote:Does anyone have a fusion equation for potara or fusion dance? Just curious as to if anyone actually does (especially potara, concerning Vegetto and Kibitoshin).
Fusion
AMax > ½BMax
:arrow: AMax*50 = ABMax

AMax < ½BMax
:arrow: AMax*50+BMax = ABMax

Potara
AMax < 10%BMax
:arrow: (AMax+BMax)*2 = ABMax

AMax > 10%BMax
:arrow: (AMax+BMax)*50 = ABMax

Since Saiyans have Super Saiyan, things become a bit complicated, but I have it all explained in the links provided on the previous page.
And if anyone does what are your levels for:

Gotenks
*Gogeta (Buu Arc)
*Gokhan (Buu Arc/Potara)
Vegetto
Kibitoshin
Kibito: 40,000,000.
Kaioshin: 4,000,000,000.
-merged with Kibito: 8,080,000,000 - slightly stronger than SS2 Gohan(Cell Games).

Gotenks(pre): 12,500,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 25,000,000,000.

Gotenks(post): 20,000,000,000 - equal to Fat Buu/Mr. Buu
-Super Saiyan 1: 40,000,000,000 - equal to SS3 Goku.
-Super Saiyan 2: 60,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 120,000,000,000 - equal to Kid Buu(South Kaioshin absorbed).

Gogeta: 40,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 1: 80,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 540,000,000,000.

Vegetto: 250,000,000,000 - equal to Super Buu(+Gohan).
-Super Saiyan 1: 500,000,000,000 - equal to Rageta.
-Super Saiyan 2: 1,000,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 2,500,000,000,000.

Gokhan: 9,500,000,000,000.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:42 am

Zombie wrote:So how many times stronger you guys have Gohan over SSJ3 Goku in the Buu arc?
Two times. Large enough for gohan to be massively stronger than goku & small enough to be covered up till by BoG.
Zombie wrote:Thanks for the quick replies. Another thing I wanted to ask is what gap do you guys have for Pure Buu and Goku.
Less than 10%

Goku - 32
kid buu - 34

Zombie wrote:Screw it I'll make then even then. Thanks. :thumbup:

Speaking of the kids. How big of a boost do you guys think the RoSaT gave them? 10%? 20%?
kids individually didn't get a huge boost, maybe 20% at best, but they achieved enough dormant power to go SS3.
Darkron2151 wrote:What are ya'll's thoughts on all of the Kaioshin (North, South, East, West, Dai)? As well as Kibito and also Kibitoshin? How strong were they compared to Buu (Pure)?
strong enough to be useless :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Anyways, I have only South kaioshin & kibitoshin above majin vegeta , but weaker than SS3 goku.
I'd put fat kaioshin close to a SS2 in power than a SS.

N / W - 9-10
East - 7 (kid) , 9 (adult)
South - 20
Kibitoshin - 18
Dai - 14

Majin vegeta - 16 (SS2)

Even if they all attacked buu together, they'd still have no chance.
DanielSSJ wrote:What are your guys thoughts on Buff Boo? (aka Pure Boo + South Kaioshin)
I think he's not just South kaioshin + kid buu, but rather South kaioshin + dai kaioshin + kid buu


He's formed just after absorbing dai kaioshin, but only for a moment, after which he turns into fat buu (exact opposite sequence of buu arc.) This happens because of dai kaioshin's gentle nature & incompatibility with buu.

In power, I think he's up there with ult gohan.

Darkron2151 wrote:Does anyone have a fusion equation for potara or fusion dance? Just curious as to if anyone actually does (especially potara, concerning Vegetto and Kibitoshin). And if anyone does what are your levels for:

Gotenks
*Gogeta (Buu Arc)
*Gokhan (Buu Arc/Potara)
Vegetto
Kibitoshin

(*=Hypothetical)
I dont think we have enough evidence to create a formula, but the evels I have them at are:
  • Gotenks :
    base - FP PC
    SS - 80% SS3 goku / fat buu
    SS (post) SS3 goku, equal to kid buu
    SS3 - 90% of gohan , above super buu, equal to piccolo buu

    Gogeta :
    Base - Majin vegeta
    SS & higher - Weaker than Vegetto , but MUCH , MUCH stronger than every pre BoG being.

    Vegetto :
    Base - Fat buu
    SS - 10x buuhan
    SS2 - 20x buuhan
    SS3 - stronger than 0.5% beerus

    Goku-han:

    Base- 2x buuhan
    SS - 20x buuhan
    SS2 - 30x buuhan
    SS3 - Jut below SS3 Vegetto

    Kibitoshin :
    Base - M10 broly LSS / slightly above majin vegeta
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:30 am

@Kaboom do you mind show me your power levels for :

Goku Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
Gohan Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
--- Super Saiyan 2/Enranged ( if you believe in one )

Super Perfect Cell

Gohan Super Saiyan ( Boo saga )
--- Super Saiyan 2
--- True power ( according to Goku )

Dabra

Vegeta ( Pre Majin ) Super Saiyan
--- Super Saiyan 2


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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Khin » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:33 am

ahill1 wrote:@Kaboom do you mind show me your power levels for :

Goku Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
Gohan Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
--- Super Saiyan 2/Enranged ( if you believe in one )

Super Perfect Cell

Gohan Super Saiyan ( Boo saga )
--- Super Saiyan 2
--- True power ( according to Goku )

Dabra

Vegeta ( Pre Majin ) Super Saiyan
--- Super Saiyan 2


Please.
Kaboom's Power level list can be seen from the first page of the thread
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =6&t=14197

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https://79c9d56083f9eefd29708be2740cd4e ... Z_PLs.html

But i think the first one is outdated.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:19 pm

Heya! I've been tweaking my power levels since last time. A lot of them are the same, but there are some notable differences. One of my new additions is that anything from an official source is now colored blue. I'm always open for criticism and debate, so tell me what you think Anyway, on to the list!
  • Multipliers
    Ōzaru - 10 x base
    Super Saiyan - 50 x base
    --Super Saiyan Grade 2 - 75 x base
    --Super Saiyan Grade 3 - 125 x base
    Super Saiyan 2 - 100 x base
    Super Saiyan 3 - 400 x base
    Fusion - (A + B) x Plot
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:37 pm

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:
ahill1 wrote:@Kaboom do you mind show me your power levels for :
Please.
Kaboom's Power level list can be seen from the first page of the thread
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =6&t=14197
And also here https://79c9d56083f9eefd29708be2740cd4e ... Z_PLs.html
But i think the first one is outdated.
Yep, the ones I made to start this thread are from over 5 years ago and very outdated. Nowadays I just have links in my signature leading to my current and updated lists. It was easier to keep them off-site in a format that I can instantly edit and update.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:33 pm

My buu arc tier list:
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    4 Buuhan, buutenks
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    (5.5 Buff buu , SS3 gotenks , Piccolo-buu)
    6 Super buu base
    7 Kid buu , SS3 goku , SS gotenks (post)
    8 SS gotenks (Pre) , skinny buu
    9 Fat buu, Mr buu, Good buu
    10 Majin vegeta , SS2 goku , SS2 gohan (training) , kibitoshin
    11 SS2 gohan , Dabura , FP PC , Base gotenks
    12 SS goku, SS vegeta , Kaioshin
    13 SS gohan , piccolo
    14 Cell Jr , SS kids (post)
    15 SS goten, trunks (pre)
    16 Android #18
    17 Yakon , freeza
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    19 Base kids
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Post by Khin » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:08 pm

Took me a very long time but my updated Power Level list is now finished :thumbup:

. I have another PL to the God tiers because the gap between the regular is way too big.
. GS means God Scale.
. My multiplyers for SSj Forms and Fusions are:;
-- SSj = 50x Base
-- SSj Grade 2 = 75x Base
-- SSj Grade 3 = 150x Base
-- SSj2 = 100x Base
-- SSj3 = 400x Base
-- SSjBlue = 1.4 x Base
-- Potara = (A + B) x 250 x 2 for rival boost.
-- Fusion Dance = A x 10


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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:09 pm

Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
  • Fat Buu (Against Goku)
    Good Buu
    Grey Buu
    Evil Buu
    Buff Buu
    Pure Buu
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Post by Khin » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:19 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
  • Fat Buu (Against Goku)
    Good Buu
    Grey Buu
    Evil Buu
    Buff Buu
    Pure Buu
    Uub (Enraged)
See above your post. :thumbup:

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:23 pm

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:
Darkron2151 wrote:Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
  • Fat Buu (Against Goku)
    Good Buu
    Grey Buu
    Evil Buu
    Buff Buu
    Pure Buu
    Uub (Enraged)
See above your post. :thumbup:
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Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:23 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
  • Fat Buu (Against Goku)
    Good Buu
    Grey Buu
    Evil Buu
    Buff Buu
    Pure Buu
    Uub (Enraged)
-- Fat Boo (vs. Goku) - 16 billion
---- angry to the point of splitting - 32 billion
-- Mister Boo - 12 billion
-- Pure Evil Boo - 20 billion
-- Evil Boo - 120 billion
---- Gotenks absorbed - 280 billion
---- Gohan absorbed - 320 billion
-- South Kaioshin Boo - 160 billion
-- Pure Boo - 32 billion
-- Oob - 50
---- angry - somewhere between 100 million and 32 billion
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:23 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
  • Fat Buu (Against Goku)
    Good Buu
    Grey Buu
    Evil Buu
    Buff Buu
    Pure Buu
    Uub (Enraged)
Fat Boo: 32 billion
Good Boo: 12 billion
Grey Boo: 20 billion
Evil (Super) Boo: 320 billion
- Bootenks: 640 billion
- Boocolo: 322 billion
- Boohan: 720 billion
Buff Boo: 350 billion
Pure Boo: 30 billion
Oob: 130-150 million.
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:33 pm

Fat Buu (Against Goku): 1 Trillion
Good Buu: 400 Billion
Grey Buu: 600 Billion
Evil Buu: 2 Quadrillion
Buff Buu: 4 Quadrillion
Pure Buu: 1.125 Trillion
Uub (Enraged): 500 Billion -> 1.125 Trillion

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Post by Kaboom » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
For comparison...
  • Freeza: 120
    SS2 Gohan (VS Cell): 7,000
    SS3 Goku: 32,000
    Ultimate Gohan: 150,000
That said...
  • Fat Boo: 15,000
    -- Good Boo: 6,000
    -- Pure Evil (Gray) Boo: 9,000
    Evil Boo: 100,000
    -- "Buff" Boo: 120,000
    -- Pure Boo: 30,000
    Angry Oob: I dunno.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:37 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do you all have the different Buu incarnations?
  • Fat Buu (Against Goku): 24,000,000,000
    Good Buu: 9,000,000,000 (He later regains his full power when he faces Pure Buu)
    Grey Buu: 15,000,000,000
    Evil Buu: 100,000,000,000
    Buff Buu: 120,000,000,000 (Same as SSJ3 Gotenks)
    Pure Buu: 30,000,000,000
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ahill1 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:42 pm

@Kaboom; I really like your theory of why the Future Androids are weaker than the present ones. But why do you have the Future Androids at 300-350 million when Future Trunks defeated them, but have the at 260-280 million when they defeated Trunks for the last time? By your logic they should be weaker, no?

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Post by Kaboom » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:22 pm

I probably copy-pasted their powers at some point and forgot to change them. Thanks for the heads-up.
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