Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kaboom]

@Kaboom: where do you have Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Gohan during Mecha Freeza's arrival?

Kuririn's at the 100,000 or so level which I think the Grand Elder's unlock pushed him to before he died.

I've never bothered making numbers for the other Earthlings at that point because they didn't do anything, but I'd imagine they'd all be well under 50,000, with Ten being the only one possibly pushing that level.

Gohan would be around the same 200,000 he had when the fight with Freeza started, since he got stronger than that during the fight but his power would have degraded during the year or so of inactivity since then. I only have a level for him during this time period for the sake of Movie 5, where he gets ganged up on by the Armored Squad's trio of "almost 200,000" power levels.

[Khin]

What are your numbers for Vegetto (SS1, SS2, SS3) and Goku SSG?

At this point.I wouldn't even bother making up any numbers for Super unless they will fix those problem they had.But here's my numbers for the movie.

Vegetto
-- SS : 20
-- SS2 : 40
-- SS3 : 160

SSG Goku
-- 80% Power : 480
-- Full Power : 600

[RandomGuy96]

What are your numbers for Vegetto (SS1, SS2, SS3) and Goku SSG?

I'm not quite sure. Mostly because I have no idea if we're supposed to think "SS3 Vegetto" could be a thing or if it was on anyone's mind.

[ahill1]

Where do you guys have Monster Zarbon? I'm thinking of him being a little bit stronger than post Zenkai Vegeta (30k). The implications of him being stronger are pretty good imo. Is it wrong?

Vegeta (Zenkai) 30,000
Monster Zarbon 31,000

[Khin]

Where do you guys have Monster Zarbon? I'm thinking of him being a little bit stronger than post Zenkai Vegeta (30k). The implications of him being stronger are pretty good imo. Is it wrong?

Vegeta is not thirty thousand (Unless you follow the guidebooks).

Chapter: 275 (DBZ 81), P4.2
Context: Vegeta powers up to fight Recoom.
Jheese: "Hey, hey, Vegeta's battle power has risen up close to 30,000!"

Vegeta [Post Zenkai] : 29,900
Monster Zarbon : 29,900

[ZombieVito]

Where do you guys have Monster Zarbon? I'm thinking of him being a little bit stronger than post Zenkai Vegeta (30k). The implications of him being stronger are pretty good imo. Is it wrong?

Vegeta is not thirty thousand (Unless you follow the guidebooks).

Chapter: 275 (DBZ 81), P4.2
Context: Vegeta powers up to fight Recoom.
Jheese: "Hey, hey, Vegeta's battle power has risen up close to 30,000!"

Vegeta [Post Zenkai] : 29,900
Monster Zarbon : 29,900

The guidebooks just rounded up his, Goku's and Freeza's BP for neatness. I prefer that to be honest.

[DanielSSJ]

Where do you guys have Monster Zarbon? I'm thinking of him being a little bit stronger than post Zenkai Vegeta (30k). The implications of him being stronger are pretty good imo. Is it wrong?

Vegeta (Zenkai) 30,000
Monster Zarbon 31,000

I generally peg Zarbon as being slightly lower than Vegeta. Vegeta did come out of that fight mostly unscathed, even if he needed to cheat to gain the advantage.
Something like...
Vegeta - 30,000
Zarbon (transformed) - 28,000

[Khin]

Vegeta doesn't state anything about him surpassing Zarbon after he got healed,instead he said he can win if he catch him off guard.So at the lowest i'd put them equals.He takes advantage of Zarbon getting cocky due to their first fight and finds an opportunity to catch him off guard.

[ZombieVito]

I just can't see Zarbon at 28,000. The gap is larger than their previous fight (Without the transformation) and Vegeta didn't need to cheat to get the upper-hand in that one.

[ahill1]

Yeah, I'd put them basically equal. In two stances Vegeta brought up Zarbon being off guard, and then resort throwing sand in his eyes to gain the edge. If Vegeta was stronger, it was by a very small margin.

[Kaboom]

If anything other than equal, I'd see Zarbon in his transformed state as the slightly stronger one. Like a 32k compared to Vegeta at almost 30k. Vegeta's tactics let him flip that around and gain an advantage early on. That higher level for Monster Zarbon also makes his transformation seem more drastic and opens up an appropriately wider power gap between himself and Vegeta in round 1.

[apex_pretador]

What are your numbers for Vegetto (SS1, SS2, SS3) and Goku SSG?

I'll use buuhan's as a unit:

Buu arc SS Vegetto - 7
Buu arc SS2 Vegetto - 15
Buu arc SS3 Vegetto - 60

BoG SS Vegetto - 50
BoG SS2 Vegetto - 100
BoG SS3 Vegetto - 400

SSG - 2000

seems nice

@Kaboom: where do you have Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Gohan during Mecha Freeza's arrival?

Kuririn's at the 100,000 or so level which I think the Grand Elder's unlock pushed him to before he died.

I've never bothered making numbers for the other Earthlings at that point because they didn't do anything, but I'd imagine they'd all be well under 50,000, with Ten being the only one possibly pushing that level.
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If you take ginyu force filler into account, then Yamcha could be pushing into 45-50,000 and chiatzu could be around 7000 at that time.

[Kaboom]

If you take ginyu force filler into account, then Yamcha could be pushing into 45-50,000 and chiatzu could be around 7000 at that time.

Weeeeeeeeell... I don't. Maybe they could have become collectively strong enough to beat the Ginyus after the full year or whatever they spent on Kaio's planet, but not after only a few days, concurrent to the fights with Freeza happening on Namek. No way. Filler nonsense begone.

[apex_pretador]

I'll try a thing I've never tried - an "Official numbers included" power level list (Databooks / guidebooks)

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/


BoDB:

Goku - 10 , hungry - 8 , Ozaru - 100
Yamcha - 8.9
Bear bandit - 7
Flying dinosaur - 7
ChiChi - 7.8
Roshi - 180

21stTB

Krillin (Pre training) - 8
Sabertooth tiger - 6.6

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Yamcha = Gilan - 80
Jacky chun - 120
Krillin = Nam - 110
Goku - 120 , Ozaru = 1200

22nd TB

Goku = Tien =180
Roshi = 139
Krillin = 110
Tsuresenin = 120
Chiaotzu = 90

Daimao arc:

Tambourine = 140
Yajirobe = Zenkai goku = 195
Karin = 190
Old daimao (Less than half power) = 220
Old Daimao (Full power) = 250
Young Daimao (initial) = 255, Full power = 260
Goku (Zenkai) = 220 (FAR surpassed karin)
Drum = 240
Goku (God water) = 260, Zenkai = 270

Mr Popo = 310 , Kami = 450

23rd TB

Cybrog tao = 210
Yamcha = 240 (Far above tao)
Krillin = 260
Tien = 300 (Above all humans, and above Daimao)
Mr popo = 315
Kami = 450 , Shen = 375
Goku = 910
Piccolo = 890

BoZ

Yamcha = 177 (Slacked off)
Krillin = 206 (Slacked off)
Tien = 250 (slacked off)
Mr popo = 315
Kami = 315 (slacked off)
Raditz = 1500
Goku = 924
Piccolo = 910

Arrival of saiyans

(Note: the PL's are 6 month training and arrival of saiyans respectively)
Yamcha = 760, 1480
Krillin = 890, 1770
Tien = 920, 1830
Chiaotzu = 245, 610
Yajirobe = 490, 970
Kami = 244, 220
Popo = 1030, 1030
Piccolo = 1501, 3500
Gohan = 700, 2800
Goku = 1900, 8000, 8050 (scouter malfunction)
Nappa = 4000
Vegeta = 18000
Goku KK x4 KHH = 32000



Feed-back will be appreciated, & I'll extend this list later.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta specifically noting that Zarbon will be coming at him off guard, never bragging about surpassing Zabon in power (unlike with his three earlier battles), and using dirty tactics to win, all heavily imply Zarbon is slightly stronger. 32,000 is where I put him.

[Blackstripe]

Has anyone tried to make sense out of SSB Kaioken yet?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Has anyone tried to make sense out of SSB Kaioken yet?

That's my opinion on this:

Hit could tell which levels of Kaio-ken Goku was using by sensing his power, meaning there is no doubt that Kaio-ken is multplying SSB Goku's battle power. Beerus can't be many times stronger than SSG/B Goku & Vegeta, or he wouldn't care about them IMO. Not only that, but his reaction to KKx2 seemed to indicate that Goku may be stronger than him. But that doesn't mean that Goku can beat him in a fight, since Kaio-ken is a temporary boost with big drawbacks, and Beerus has learned, but hasn't perfected, the ability to have his body move on its own, making him capable of avoiding attacks more powerful than him, while Whis has perfected this ability, and we have no idea what other abilities Beerus & Whis may have. So, just because Goku can temporary become stronger than them doesn't mean he has truly surpassed them, and he still hasn't according to Toriyama.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

What are your numbers for Kuririn, Chaozu, Tenshinhan and Yamcha during the Nappa arc?

My numbers:

Tenshinhan: 1,600
Kuririn: 1,450
Yamcha: 1,350
Chaozu: 1,000

[dbgtFO]

What are your numbers for Kuririn, Chaozu, Tenshinhan and Yamcha during the Nappa arc?

My numbers:

Tenshinhan: 1,600
Kuririn: 1,450
Yamcha: 1,350
Chaozu: 1,000

Tenshinhan: 1,100.
-Full Power: 1,500.
-Kikoho(after getting damaged): 1,830.

Yamcha: 1,050.
-Full Power: 1,250.
-Kamehameha(quickly charged): 1,480.

Krillin - 1,083.
-Full Power blast: 1,770.

Chaozu: 610.
-Suicide: 1220.

Nappa remarked that there was more than two people with a battle power over 1,000. We already have the powers of Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo, where two of them surpassed 1,000(note that Piccolo was wearing his weighted clothing when read, so his battle power might have been below 1,000 then), so there might be 2 more and that would be Tenshinhan and Yamcha.

[RandomGuy96]

I just use the Daizenshuu 7 numbers for the Fodder Squad. I never saw any problem with them.

Has anyone tried to make sense out of SSB Kaioken yet?

On the one hand, Beerus freaking out and sweating when Goku merely used Kaio-Ken x2 heavily implies that the 6-10-15 scale is still in place, and that KK x10 Goku should wipe the floor with Beerus (Beerus denies being afraid of the KK x2, but his tone of voice, facial expressions, and mannerisms say otherwise). On the other hand, Toriyama's statement that he has no plans for GOKU to surpass Beerus says otherwise (though that could've been a lie...). So I'll just wait for further information. We'll probably get that next week.