"Not 'til the fish jumps"

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:27 pm

Are you a sub fan then? Why would the Dub even matter either way to your enjoyment of the show. And You can't hate on TFS for anything that came before it. They are just doing a parody of the show, not the dub or sub directly.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:39 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:Are you a sub fan then? Why would the Dub even matter either way to your enjoyment of the show. And You can't hate on TFS for anything that came before it. They are just doing a parody of the show, not the dub or sub directly.

What is with "dub fans" getting so over-defensive in this thread? What is wrong with linkdude20002001 giving a reason for not liking the dub?

B · Post by B » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:55 pm

It's not funny, but I'm not gonna nerdrage over it.

Rachel hit it on the head; "Waves and Rocks" was great.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:01 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:Are you a sub fan then? Why would the Dub even matter either way to your enjoyment of the show. And You can't hate on TFS for anything that came before it. They are just doing a parody of the show, not the dub or sub directly.
What is with "dub fans" getting so over-defensive in this thread? What is wrong with linkdude20002001 giving a reason for not liking the dub?

Well, you know, the same reason that it's inciting a flame war to criticize one of the dub voice actors, I guess.

Turtle Marked Stone · Post by **Turtle Marked Stone** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:16 am

I loved the original version too. Piccolo and Vegeta trying to mull over exactly what just happened and feeling dejected. That seems more humorous then a non sequitur fish joke. Different strokes for different folks.

Super Sonic wrote:It made me laugh. Grant it sounded a little corny, but to where it was funny.

penguintruth wrote:I don't even care if it's hilarious (and it isn't). Adding a line that wasn't there is unacceptable.
As I've said to everyone else who badmouths it, had that been in a Bugs Buny cartoon, you would've laughed or found it funny.

Sure, it probably would have fit better using Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck in a Loony Toon. I don't really understand how that detracts from people saying it was an unnecessary line in a Dragon Ball Z movie though. It's a totally different universe with two completely different characters and a presumably completely changed set up.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:20 am

Which movie(s) was the "Waves and rocks" joke in?

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:20 am

It wasn't. It was in the series when at the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai where they play the re-enactment of the Cell Games. I admit I found that really funny.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:25 am

I don't remember it... But that's a funny joke.

LeprikanGT wrote:Are you a sub fan then? Why would the Dub even matter either way to your enjoyment of the show. And You can't hate on TFS for anything that came before it. They are just doing a parody of the show, not the dub or sub directly.

I'm not sub fan. While I adore the Japanese actors, I'm a dub fan who's displeased with the English dub. I love watching Kai and the three Geneon dubbed movies in English (and exclusively do so).
And I'm not hating on TFS; especially not for something FUNi did.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:49 am

Super Sonic wrote:had that been in a Bugs Buny cartoon, you would've laughed or found it funny.

Surely you aren't so dense to think that's the objection here.

They added a line where there wasn't one. Not a line at all. No line whatsoever. They just added it. For no reason. Because they felt like it.

It's not a line that substitutes for another. Not a joke that replaces an untranslatable Japanese joke. They just said, "Fuck it, let's make this scene HILIARIOUS by adding this line for no reason whatsoever."

That is dumbfuckery of the highest order. That's like Goku talking about his split ends. Or cat loving food, yeah yeah yeah. It's pure, unadulterated stupid from the minds of the "writers" at Funimation, people who think they're witty and clever, who want badly to produce their own cartoons, but lack the vision or talent to do so, so they try to spice up shows that have already been written.

In other words, hacks.

Is one line such a big deal in the long run? No, of course not. But it's indicative of the general attitude Funimation has towards this material, a pervasive, dismissive, "We can do better" attitude. Well, they can't. They've never improved anything. They need to just do their jobs and shut up.

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:49 am

I just can't find the "fish jumps" line funny. At all. It's like if someone in a comedy show said "not until the fat lady sings", and a fat woman came through the door and started singing. It wouldn't be funny to anyone over the age of eleven.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:57 am

Cipher · Post by **Cipher** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:07 am

Allow me to rephrase.

As a stand-alone joke in an otherwise faithful dub (hypothetically of course), I think it's funny. It's a strangely gratuitous moment in the original animation that's kind of funny when it's directly pointed out. If this were a one-time occurrence, I'd be totally fine with it.

As a line indicative of Funimation's overall treatment of the series, yes, it seems egregious.

I generally let this one slide because it's of such a different variety than the standard "Let's add a pun to spice up this serious scene" or "Let's add a line here just to avoid silence" attitude in the rest of the original dub. It seems like kind of a knowing in-joke about the footage as opposed to trying to cram their own stand-up into places it doesn't belong. Or at least it would if they'd treated the rest of the series better.

I just don't think it's comparable to "Cat loves food" or Goku's split-ends at all.

Suupaa Gohan 2 · Post by **Suupaa Gohan 2** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:49 am

Super Sonic wrote:As I've said to everyone else who badmouths it, had that been in a Bugs Buny cartoon, you would've laughed or found it funny.

...because Dragonball isn't a Bugs Bunny cartoon, and if it was in a Bugs Bunny cartoon, it wouldn't be out of place...? So...your point is...?

Anyways, sub fan here, I dislike the line. It's not that the joke isn't funny (it's not hilarious, but it's not terrible), or that it breaks the fourth wall, or that OMG THEY ADDED A LINE WHERE THERE WAS NO LINE HOW DARE THEY or anything like that. It's because it's absolutely, completely and irrefutably out of character for both parties. The joke is that two of the most serious characters who try to interact with each other as little as possible are randomly sitting together on this little chunk of ice. Adding that line in kills the original joke, IMO, and replaces it with one that makes no sense coming from the parties in question.

If it had been, say, Kuririn and [x] (I dunno, Yamcha, Gohan, even Trunks, anyone really), I probably wouldn't mind it and would even laugh. The reason the line bugs me is because it's Vegeta and Piccolo, and it's a prime example of the dub painting the characters to be totally different than they're supposed to be.

sumpter360 · Post by **sumpter360** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:18 pm

It's my single favorite dub line in ALL OF EXISTENCE! Like many others have said, it's just a bout the only dub script change that's a welcome one. I think it gave that last random view of Piccolo and Vegeta actual purpose. It just felt awkward and pretty pointless without anybody saying anything.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:25 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I just can't find the "fish jumps" line funny. At all. It's like if someone in a comedy show said "not until the fat lady sings", and a fat woman singing came through the door and started singing. It wouldn't be funny to anyone over the age of eleven.

That's exactly it. It's sounds stupid, not funny. I'm watching a shonen anime, not some pre-schooler's show. O_o
Though, I guess you're right that elementary schoolers would find it funny too. But even as an elementary schooler, I'd've found that stupid, and wouldn't been embarrassed to watch a show with a script like that. In fact, I was embarrassed to watch DBZ ('cause of the script and music).

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:57 pm

sumpter360 wrote:It just felt awkward and pretty pointless without anybody saying anything.

That's pretty much the point of that scene. I personally don't see how the dub of that scene makes it any more necessary or meaningful.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:58 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
sumpter360 wrote:It just felt awkward and pretty pointless without anybody saying anything.
That's pretty much the point of that scene. I personally don't see how the dub of that scene makes it any more necessary or meaningful.

The addition of lines ADDS to the scene.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:23 pm

Would you care to elaborate HOW? And you said "lines" in plural. Did you misspeak while referring to this line, or do you mean ALL additional dialogue adds to a scene?

ThunderPX · Post by **ThunderPX** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:32 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Would you care to elaborate HOW? And you said "lines" in plural. Did you misspeak while referring to this line, or do you mean ALL additional dialogue adds to a scene?

"Is it over?"
"Not 'til the fish jumps."
*splash*
"It's over."

Looks like multiple lines to me.

KakaR0T · Post by **KakaR0T** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:43 pm

I never understood why they just sat there on the chunk of ice like they were stranded. They could have just flown away.

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