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Hellspawn28 wrote:Katopesla (Ultimate Mode) vs... in no real order
Mecha Freeza
Dr. Gero
Imperfect Cell (Pre-human absorbing)
Super #13
Semi Perfect Cell
Basil
Perfect Cell
Bojack (Post-Transformation)
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Basil (Post-Transformation)
Magetta
Lavender
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Kid Buu
Super Buu
Zamasu (Goku's Timeline)
Janemba
Buuhan
Obuni
SSj Buu Saga Vegito
ROF 4th Form Freeza
SSjG BOG Goku
Golden Freeza
SSjR Goku Black
Merged Zamasu
Rules:
No outside help
Katopesla gets heal after each battle
Buu can't absorb people and turn them into candy
Which ones can he defeat and which ones does he lose too?
Stomps.
Stomps.
Stomps.
Stomps.
Hard to tell, since there seems to be no freaking difference between Ssj's and bases anymore. Just watch Vegeta's fight with Katopesla before he uses the Final Flash... do you notice the gap there's supposed to be between the two states? Well, I didn't.
Katopesla's stronger, but can he beat Cell's regeneration? I don't know really.
Wins.
... pass.
Drugged Basil wins as he was just a little bit below Mr. Buu, who should be waaaay stronger than Katopesla.
Magetta stomps.
Katopesla would probably lose due to Lavender's poison.
Loses.
Loses.
Loses.
Loses.
Loses.
Loses.
Loses.
Obuni as even Ultimate Gohan was having trouble with him.
The rest of the fighters are just too strong for him. Loses every match.
nickzambuto wrote:Beerus vs every other God of Destruction, dead serious and to the death (let's say the universe is indestructible)
Beerus probably takes out at most 4-5 of them. But due to sheer numbers and relatively everyone is equal in power (more or less). He goes down fighting.
nickzambuto wrote:Beerus vs every other God of Destruction, dead serious and to the death (let's say the universe is indestructible)
Impossible to tell as we don't know how powerful the Hakaishin are compared to each other.
Spoiler:
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Helles stomps. In the manga she did some damage to other the god's of the destruction. Also go be honest she wasn't impressed or afraid of Kefla. She and the other gods only freaked out about Jiren and ultra instinct goku. I have a feeling she and the other gods are near the same power. So she stomps.
RedShift wrote:Probably been done many times already buuuut...
Rage Trunks (DBS)
Vs.
Ultimate Gohan (ToP Era)
Trunks wins. He's SsjB tier, whereas Ultimate Gohan isn't (his last fight with Toppo clearly shows it). Of course he doesn't go down immedietaly, but loses in the end.
Either Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, Gohan and Piccolo finish off Raditz, leaving Goku to do the rest. He defeats Nappa easily with the Kaioken, and goes to battle Vegeta. The fight is the same as in the series, except that there are more fighters to help Goku when Vegeta is Oozaru. They can also distract Vegeta with tactics and ultimately win a bit easier than in the original series.
RedShift wrote:Probably been done many times already buuuut...
Rage Trunks (DBS)
Vs.
Ultimate Gohan (ToP Era)
The way I saw it, Ultimate Gohan was stated by a writer to be equal to Android 17 in strenght, and Android 17 fought SSJ3 Goku equally in the manga so we can assume that's the tier they both are, not to mention that Toppo clearly had the upper hand against both Gohan and Android 17 in the tournament. Meanwhile Rage Trunks managed to hold his own against SSJ Rose Goku Black and Future Zamasu (despite losing the fight afterwards), something that SSJ Blue Vegeta before the ROSAT wouldn't be able to do, and Ultimate Gohan is obviously way below the SSJ Blue tier, since he's only SSJ3 tier.
Android 17 wins with minimal effort, as he's presumably SSB-tier. In my opinion, 17 currently wields a level of power that likely far exceeds any SSJ4 from GT. Although Omega Shenron was also shown to be way beyond SSJ4 Goku / Vegeta, I doubt the difference is as big as it is between SSB and SSJ4. It's true we don't have a firm way of deciphering where GT characters stand, but feats alone seem to place ritual form Goku above SSJ4; and power scaling from that point puts Android 17 far above anyone from GT.
SSB Goku (Kaioken x20) > SSB Goku > / = Android 17 >>> Ritual Form Goku > / = Omega Shenron >>> SSJ4 Goku / Vegeta (Shadow Dragons saga) > Super 17 (energy absorbed) > SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 saga)
RedShift wrote:Probably been done many times already buuuut...
Rage Trunks (DBS)
Vs.
Ultimate Gohan (ToP Era)
Rage Trunks easily.
Asura wrote:Android 17 (Super) vs Omega Shenron
Even Super 17 would've totally wrecked him. Omega is overkill.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
I'm think the Z Fighters end up winning. Raditz can be easily defeated by anyone who is not Yajirobe, Gohan, Chaozu or perhaps Yamcha, Nappa can give Goku a tough time but probably ends kaioken'd and Goku can demolish Vegeta with Kaioken x3, not to mention the Z Fighters can sneak on Vegeta if a beam struggle happens here. Though i dunno if they can pull the win if Vegeta turns Oozaru, as Yajirobe could only cut Vegeta's tail because he was unaware of his presence. If Yajirobe spends most of the time hidding like he did in canon, the Z Fighters got this on the bag.
These random characters from z/Gt/super fight as a team for U7 in ToP. Only against the weaker universes. So only 2,4,9,and 10 are participating. Can this team win?
1. Rildo
2. Janemba
3. Pikkon
4. Oceanus shenron
5. Olibu
6. Ginyu (in Tagonma's body. Can switch with one person only)
7. Android 16
8. Bojack
9. Devil man
10. Jaco
