The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:17 pm

We literally know nothing about king cold's power othe than te fact that Frieza thinks he could insure domination over goku and that he's weaker than his son and trunks.

Honestly, Frieza's statement doesn't even do anything as he has no clue what goku's power level was or how much stronger he was than him. This isn't even factoring in Frieza's obvious arrogance.


In my head canon I have cold at 1% Frieza
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:19 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:100% Freeza vs King Cold
I'm thinkin' no, King Cold can't win this. Freeza's got enough of an edge over Cold that he could mess ol' daddy dearest up pretty badly even before 100% starts to affect him at all. Then Freeza can power down to finish it if he needs to.
RandomGuy96 wrote:70% Mecha Freeza vs King Cold
This is a much closer fight in terms of power, but Freeza still has a very small edge. I'd bet he's a better fighter than his complacent dad and manages to win.
RandomGuy96 wrote:King Cold vs base Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan in the Buu arc.
Goku and Vegeta are already damned close to Cold's power, so through the power of teamwork and with Gohan as backup, they bring the tyrant down.
Do you think that Cold's enormous size would give him any advantage on his son durability-wise that would help him in a battle with close powers?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:46 pm

I like to think that King Cold at his full power is much stronger than any form of Freeza, although I admit I have no real evidence to support this.
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:24 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Do you think that Cold's enormous size would give him any advantage on his son durability-wise that would help him in a battle with close powers?
...Mmmmmmmmaybe?

Even if so, it might be undone by his very likely complacency.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:33 pm

Kaboom wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Do you think that Cold's enormous size would give him any advantage on his son durability-wise that would help him in a battle with close powers?
...Mmmmmmmmaybe?

Even if so, it might be undone by his very likely complacency.
I ask because you seem to think that a similar advantage is given to the much smaller Nappa due to his size and physique.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:18 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I ask because you seem to think that a similar advantage is given to the much smaller Nappa due to his size and physique.
True. But again, Nappa is a competent fighter, enough to still tango with Goku relatively well once he focused. I don't really know if Cold has any fighting skills whatsoever. It may be just a gut feeling that I'm going too far with, though.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:25 pm

DBZ Movie 9 Krillin Vs Base Vegeta

Ten held his own against Base Trunks in this film, so...
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Post by dbgtFO » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:40 am

Kid Buu wrote:DBZ Movie 9 Krillin Vs Base Vegeta

Ten held his own against Base Trunks in this film, so...
Yeah, but this is movie Krillin, he usually finds himself in the buttmonkey role, which the Piccolo fight also showed.
It would take a miracle for him to beat Vegeta.
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Post by ZombieVito » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:23 pm

EoZ Goku (No SSJ3) vs EoZ Vegeta.
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Zombie wrote:EoZ Goku (No SSJ3) vs EoZ Vegeta.
So they fight in base? Or are they only allowed to go up to SSJ2?
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Post by hleV » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:27 pm

Is Vegeta allowed to go SS3? Because if so, he wrecks Goku. If it's in the same form, then it's either a draw or Goku takes it with extreme difficulty.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:14 pm

hleV wrote:Is Vegeta allowed to go SS3? Because if so, he wrecks Goku.
Since when can he do that....
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:23 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Zombie wrote:EoZ Goku (No SSJ3) vs EoZ Vegeta.
So they fight in base? Or are they only allowed to go up to SSJ2?
They are allowed.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:28 pm

Zombie wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Zombie wrote:EoZ Goku (No SSJ3) vs EoZ Vegeta.
So they fight in base? Or are they only allowed to go up to SSJ2?
They are allowed.
Just noticed this is EoZ Goku. Goku stomps in base then due to absorbing SSJG.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:34 pm

Goku wins. His techniques are flat-out better than Vegeta's.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:42 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Goku wins. His techniques are flat-out better than Vegeta's.
The only one I can think of that would actually be somewhat relevant here is his Instant Transmission. Kaio-Ken isn't really relevant anymore since it doesn't seem to stack with SSJ, the Genki Dama takes too long, Vegeta's got his own Kamehameha, and I'd say they're roughly on par hand-to-hand. And I'm not sure how relevant Instant Transmission would even be in this fight. Vegeta's seen the Warp Kamehameha, and I don't think that Goku can spam the technique like he did in the second Cooler movie, since that would have come in handy in his Buu Arc fights, yet he doesn't do it. And more to the point, Goku's never actually beaten Vegeta.

Still, like Kental's said, Goku's got the god boost for now, so he takes this. Although I'm almost certain he'll have it removed in whatever's gonna be coming after BoG.
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Post by hleV » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:55 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
hleV wrote:Is Vegeta allowed to go SS3? Because if so, he wrecks Goku.
Since when can he do that....
Since he said to himself that he'll defeat Goku soon, which would be absolutely impossible without SS3.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:15 pm

hleV wrote:Since he said to himself that he'll defeat Goku soon, which would be absolutely impossible without SS3.
But would Goku use SS3? It only lasts for 5 minutes, and then it drains everything. Even if both Goku & Vegeta could go SS3, I doubt they would have their great fight in this form, because time-limits suck.
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Post by hleV » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:20 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
hleV wrote:Since he said to himself that he'll defeat Goku soon, which would be absolutely impossible without SS3.
But would Goku use SS3?
To have an instant win against someone who doesn't have SS3. According to Vegeta, anyway, because he wouldn't be fine with Goku giving him a handicap by not going all out.
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