DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[LeprikanGT]

Aside from the extreme lack of supers Android ultimates, the Gotenks fight looked great. Why does the roster look sooo tiny?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Why does the roster look sooo tiny?

Because it might be? Dunno, don't care.

Seeing how we know the gameplay is repetitive and the same for every character, the only thing I care about is the roster. I already know they've cut characters, but unless they wow me with whatever new they are adding back in and can bring it close to the total we had in RB2 for the final product, I don't even really want to talk about it... Right now, as of that latest video, we have the same number of base slots as we did for RB1. Some character may have been made transformations (Majin Vegeta added to Vegeta, or Ultimate Gohan added to Teen Gohan), but we also still see some base forms missing as well. If this will represent the final product, I don't know, but right now, I'm not happy and I'll be keeping my money. Rather go buy Sagas...

[Titan]

More precisely it is the outfit he was wearing when Goku became SSJ3 which is different from the last one.

Kinda, its technically a new outfit since its a mixture of them if you base it off the anime. When he saved Gohan from Buu, the outfit is blue, has a short "skirt" and a white cape. Then, there was the green and brown/orange one with the long "skirt" from the SS3 transformation, and then his Saiyan Arc green pants and no shirt when avoiding Super Buu's genocide attack.

This animation looks to be using the colors from when he saved Gohan on the outfit from the SS3 transformation...

If you exclude the colours, the outfits are different:
1-the capes are different

2-the size of the skirts

3-the last one has sleeves and boots



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This animation looks to be using the colors from when he saved Gohan on the outfit from the SS3 transformation.

That's true!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If you exclude the colours, the outfits are different:

I'm aware, I just figured discussing the colors and skirt size would be enough to get my point across. Every characters outfits that tend to look the same to the casual viewer almost always have differences that people don't notice (like Goku's boots gaining laces and then swapping the colors), but I typically obsess over said details because I strive for accuracy when I'm drawing them.

[JulieYBM]

Ah, I'm glad to see they're removing some of the more redundant forms (base Cell Games Gohan, for example). They could probably do the same with base teen Gohan, although I'd prefer keeping Ultimate Gohan separate.

[LeprikanGT]

Why don't people want base forms?

[JulieYBM]

Why don't people want base forms?

Because there's no reason to have them. Child Gohan is a base form, there's no need for the other two Gohan to have base forms when they can spend that time and money on other characters. Heck, Boo arc Gohan could probably go without his first Super Saiyan form. Since there's only one Gokuu, Trunks, and Vegeta now they should keep their base forms, though.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Because there's no reason to have them. Child Gohan is a base form, there's no need for the other two Gohan to have base forms when they can spend that time and money on other characters. Heck, Boo arc Gohan could probably go without his first Super Saiyan form. Since there's only one Gokuu, Trunks, and Vegeta now they should keep their base forms, though.

One of the worst ideas IMO. It removes my freedom to play the game and enact the scenarios I want on the battle field. I always play matches with at least some kind of brief story idea in my head, and removing the option to drop to base form, if I so desire, irks me to no end. They've already limited the combat to pretty much the same repetitive QTE with a couple of free choice punches here and there...no reason for them not to be able to put a bunch of skins over the models in a game that is mostly prerendered events anyway. I get that they made a lot of changes to other aspects of the game, but they already had a 100 models done, all they basically had to do was reshade them...which is basically nothing seeing how they already did a ton of work on costumes and hairstyles for the Create-A-Character. I bet you I'd be able to make a base Gohan from the Cell Arc in the CaC (though with a tail >.>), so why couldn't they just make the official character's hair black for a base form?

[LeprikanGT]

But almost every base form has a fight in what should be a complete story mode. And now that I think about it too, every WILL play basically the same. Looks like skill and timing will be replaced by strategy. :/

[InfernalVegito]

I want base forms even if they were useless in the series simply for the sake of completeness.

[LeprikanGT]

Exactly. Teen Gohan fought Base Goku, adult Gohan fought Dabura, Trunks and Goten fought eachother, And Goku And Vegeta fought plenty of people in base forms.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Because there's no reason to have them. Child Gohan is a base form, there's no need for the other two Gohan to have base forms when they can spend that time and money on other characters. Heck, Boo arc Gohan could probably go without his first Super Saiyan form. Since there's only one Gokuu, Trunks, and Vegeta now they should keep their base forms, though.

But they should have kept Goku & Vegeta SSJ4...

[JulieYBM]

Because there's no reason to have them. Child Gohan is a base form, there's no need for the other two Gohan to have base forms when they can spend that time and money on other characters. Heck, Boo arc Gohan could probably go without his first Super Saiyan form. Since there's only one Gokuu, Trunks, and Vegeta now they should keep their base forms, though.

One of the worst ideas IMO. It removes my freedom to play the game and enact the scenarios I want on the battle field. I always play matches with at least some kind of brief story idea in my head, and removing the option to drop to base form, if I so desire, irks me to no end. They've already limited the combat to pretty much the same repetitive QTE with a couple of free choice punches here and there...no reason for them not to be able to put a bunch of skins over the models in a game that is mostly prerendered events anyway. I get that they made a lot of changes to other aspects of the game, but they already had a 100 models done, all they basically had to do was reshade them...which is basically nothing seeing how they already did a ton of work on costumes and hairstyles for the Create-A-Character. I bet you I'd be able to make a base Gohan from the Cell Arc in the CaC (though with a tail >.>), so why couldn't they just make the official character's hair black for a base form?

It's not at simple as just recoloring the hair and eyes. They'll have to add in base Gohan's fighting style, too, which takes away time and effort they can place elsewhere. Gohan never even uses that form for fighting outside of the the Boujack film.

Base Cell arc Gohan is in six or seven other games. Removing him here isn't a big deal.

But almost every base form has a fight in what should be a complete story mode. And now that I think about it too, every WILL play basically the same. Looks like skill and timing will be replaced by strategy. :/

It's not going to be a complete story mode. These things never are, espicially with the limited time and budget these games get.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's not at simple as just recoloring the hair and eyes. They'll have to add in base Gohan's fighting style, too, which takes away time and effort they can place elsewhere. Gohan never even uses that form for fighting outside of the the Boujack film.

Have you been following the game, this is Ultimate Tenkaichi...what fighting style? They can just use the same animations like the did in in the previous games. Nothing new required, asside from a couple of punching/kicking/charging animations (all which could be used from SS Gohan), base Gohan is going to do is the exact same prerended stuff as Goku, Vegeta, Buu, Cell, and EVERY other character will do with the same chasing, smashing, blur combos, and rapid flurry of hits for the "Increase Ki QTE" or the "Increase Spirit QTE".

Base Cell arc Gohan is in six or seven other games. Removing him here isn't a big deal.

In your opinion, sure...

[Titan]

If you exclude the colours, the outfits are different:

I'm aware, I just figured discussing the colors and skirt size would be enough to get my point across. Every characters outfits that tend to look the same to the casual viewer almost always have differences that people don't notice (like Goku's boots gaining laces and then swapping the colors), but I typically obsess over said details because I strive for accuracy when I'm drawing them.

I also think details are important.Personally,i'm surprised that finally Ten is wearing this outfit.Toriyama did a great job designing this one.Both are very cool.

[JulieYBM]

It's not at simple as just recoloring the hair and eyes. They'll have to add in base Gohan's fighting style, too, which takes away time and effort they can place elsewhere. Gohan never even uses that form for fighting outside of the the Boujack film.

Have you been following the game, this is Ultimate Tenkaichi...what fighting style? They can just use the same animations like the did in in the previous games. Nothing new required, asside from a couple of punching/kicking/charging animations (all which could be used from SS Gohan), base Gohan is going to do is the exact same prerended stuff as Goku, Vegeta, Buu, Cell, and EVERY other character will do with the same chasing, smashing, blur combos, and rapid flurry of hits for the "Increase Ki QTE" or the "Increase Spirit QTE".

Of course I've been following. Maybe not as closely as others, but I've followed closely enough to know that they've outright stated they have removed characters. Obviously this was for a reason, beingthat they didn't want to bother adding in base Gohan and they didn't think anyone would care. "Who is going to refuse to buy the game because we've removed extraneous forms of a character that has been in dozens of games?"

Base Cell arc Gohan is in six or seven other games. Removing him here isn't a big deal.

In your opinion, sure...

Well, I think we already established that.

[Hellspawn28]

Budokai 3 had 40 something characters and it was a great game. I really wish people stop crying about not having 100+ characters, it seems like most fans don't like any DBZ game that does not play the Sparking series or have a huge section of characters since 2006 or 2007. Fighting games with a huge section of fighting are always end up being broken or unbalanced, like Mortal Kombat: Armageddon for example. I personally never been a big fan of the 3rd Sparking game, it seems like the games have been hit or miss since then to me. I hope this game will be a improvement over them.

Also on the character section screen, I saw more blocks after the create a character section. Maybe DLC character blocks?

[InfernalVegito]

The more characters the more fun I will have on the long run. It's as easy as that. It gets boring rather quickly when having less characters to choose from. Also the frustrating thing isn't the fact that there are so less characters this specific time but the fact that they add characters AND THEN remove them again. That is the thing that makes me rage inside of me.

[MCDaveG]

What's uuuuup!!! Playing Japanese version of Sparking! Meteor and keepin' my money........
Well, RB2 had Hatchihyakku, some never before seen playable characters and 30 minute renewed story (minus the story mode, but galaxy mode was prety refreshing fun for me, altough when you unlocked everything major, it wasn't that much fun). What this game offers other than remade scenes from anime, smaller and based on anime/manga incomplete roster (smaller than RB2, what I heard!!) and character creator advertised trough characters made from mixture of previously used ones based on DB Heroes, which really don't excites me at all by design.
Only thing that will make me buying this game will be Bardock as Super Saiyan and Chilled with henchman (That one looked pretty awesome in the short comic) + Japanese score for Europe used in the series.....

PS: For fanatical defenders, yeah, I'm a major bitcher and I will even nitpick count of Mr. Satan's hair on his chest!!

The more characters the more fun I will have on the long run. It's as easy as that. It gets boring rather quickly when having less characters to choose from. Also the frustrating thing isn't the fact that there are so less characters this specific time but the fact that they add characters AND THEN remove them again. That is the thing that makes me rage inside of me.

I'm with you brotha!

[Attitudefan]

Finally Goku's got his Gi with the symbol on it! This is the first game to get that right! Best of all it's the one that says his name on it which is the most versatile, as in, it could be used whatever part in the series. It's also respectable to Kame-sennin!