Unpopular DB opinions

[TheGmGoken]

Piccolo's fight with Seventeen is boring because there doesn't seem to be any progression and it was anticlimactic; Vegeta's fight with Eighteen was much more entertaining.

. What!? Huh!? That well...IMO was amazing fight. Filled with hardass punches and kicks. It was to tire them out for Cell plot wise which could have ruined the "progression" for you.

[Kid Buu]

Maybe I'm biased since I didn't really care much for Piccolo too much until the Buu Saga.

[TheGmGoken]

Maybe I'm biased since I didn't really care much for Piccolo too much until the Buu Saga.

Toshio Furukawa is one of my favourite VA's though.

WHAT!? THat's even worst . What's wrong with Piccolo pre Boo?

[Kid Buu]

It's mostly the way Toriyama handled him. Gets built-up only to fail against Freeza and Cell, so more so how Toriyama wrote him as opposed to the actual character himself.

He's really funny in the Buu Arc, especially his interactions with Goten and Trunks.

[TheGmGoken]

It's mostly the way Toriyama handled him. Gets built-up only to fail against Freeza and Cell, so more so how Toriyama wrote him as opposed to the actual character himself.

He's really funny in the Buu Arc, especially his interactions with Goten and Trunks.

Goten makes anyone better. He made Gohan MUCH MUCH better. Piccolo was built to beat Freeza? Piccolo failed against Cell? Didn't he get the information from Cell? That's not failing.

[Kid Buu]

It's mostly the way Toriyama handled him. Gets built-up only to fail against Freeza and Cell, so more so how Toriyama wrote him as opposed to the actual character himself.

He's really funny in the Buu Arc, especially his interactions with Goten and Trunks.

Goten makes anyone better. He made Gohan MUCH MUCH better. Piccolo was built to beat Freeza? Piccolo failed against Cell? Didn't he get the information from Cell? That's not failing.

Piccolo trying to get information out of Cell is what led to Cell learning he could regenerate. Also, it was because of Piccolo that Cell even found the Androids. So yeah, I'd say Kamiccolo was a failure, sadly.

[Lumos]

. What!? Huh!? That well...IMO was amazing fight. Filled with hardass punches and kicks. It was to tire them out for Cell plot wise which could have ruined the "progression" for you.

Seconded. Then again, I have a soft spot for the Garlic Jr Arc so what do I know?

[TheGmGoken]

It's mostly the way Toriyama handled him. Gets built-up only to fail against Freeza and Cell, so more so how Toriyama wrote him as opposed to the actual character himself.

He's really funny in the Buu Arc, especially his interactions with Goten and Trunks.

Goten makes anyone better. He made Gohan MUCH MUCH better. Piccolo was built to beat Freeza? Piccolo failed against Cell? Didn't he get the information from Cell? That's not failing.

Piccolo trying to get information out of Cell is what led to Cell learning he could regenerate. Also, it was because of Piccolo that Cell even found the Androids. So yeah, I'd say Kamiccolo was a failure, sadly.

Correction. Cyborgs found GOKU. That caused Cell to find them. The Z Fighters would had fought the cyborgs over letting them take Goku. So Piccolo didn't cause nothing

[thatdbzguy]

Piccolo's fight with Seventeen is boring because there doesn't seem to be any progression and it was anticlimactic; Vegeta's fight with Eighteen was much more entertaining.

Agreed. All of the Cell/Cyborg arcs' fights were pitifully boring to me.

[Attitudefan]

Here's my unpopular opinion: Yamcha vs Tenshinhan is probably in my top 5 fights of the whole series. Now that fight is hard hitting, fast paced action. I like it better than Ten vs Son Goku. I like to rewatch it sometimes for how good of a fight it is.

[Kid Buu]

Well, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why you like that fight so much. I've always found it ovehyped, even though it's currently my avatar.

[Jabberwock xeno]

I greatly prefer the dub and the Faulconer music over the original.

I hate film grain and don't understand why people want it to be present in their releases. Not liking upscales or remasters where detail isn't preserved is one thing, but "getting rid of film grain" and "Keeping detail" aren't mutually exclusive.

Anything toriyama says should be taken with a metric ton of salt. He may have created the franchise, but I don't trust him for anything. He's simply too forgetful to be a reliable source of information.

[rereboy]

but "getting rid of film grain" and "Keeping detail" aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes, they are. To get rid of grain, since its part of the picture, some detail will always be lost. The best you can hope for is to get rid of most of the grain without losing significant detail.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, for the purposes of simplicity, it's akin to someone from the digital age saying you can remove pixels while keeping detail intact.

[Ajay]

but "getting rid of film grain" and "Keeping detail" aren't mutually exclusive.

Yeah, sorry dude. As people have said already, that's objectively wrong.

As to why people want it in their releases? It's a part of the show, why wouldn't we? Do you want grain removed from films too? I don't really understand. It's part of the aesthetic and removing it takes away a layer of the show. Why do you think many modern animes have a layer of digital noise plastered over them nowadays? It's to retain that aesthetic. It gives the image more depth to it.

Even Battle of Gods had it to a degree. Its blacks and greys had a fine layer to it.

[Gaffer Tape]

It's funny. I was watching The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in theatres a few weeks ago, and after awhile, I noticed, to my delight, that it had obviously been shot on film rather than digitally. I smiled to myself, thinking, "You know, despite all the people I read on forums complaining about grain and wishing it would be wiped away, I bet there's not a single person here who thinks the image quality is lacking or even notices the grain that I'm purposely training my eyes on right now."

[Kid Buu]

Chaozu was a better villain than Tenshinhan.

[nhienphan2808]

Vegeta and Chichi shares a LOT of similar quality. In the sense that Chi was the parody of stereotyped Japanese education mother and Vegeta is the stereotyped, almost infamous, proud, arrogant, burdened, troubled but brave and "honorable" image of the Japanese Samurai warrior. They are both "darkly realistic" characters that went against DBZ's supposed light-hearted style. Not a suprise they are both hated by the creator.

When you have the "typical" Japanese wife and the "typical" Japanese husband, i say they make a good couple.

[Gaffer Tape]

Eh. I agree with you about Chichi, and I agree that Vegeta is a darker character type than most other DB characters, but I vehemently disagree that there is anything honorable or samurai-code-like about Vegeta. He wears armor and fights. Those are about the only similarities. This is a guy who didn't give a shit that Raditz had died, nor did he want himself or Nappa to start trying to repopulate their almost-extinct race because he didn't want others trying to usurp him. He kills Nappa solely because he lost to an opponent. As far in as the Cell arc he asserts that earthlings are weird for not just killing anybody they find annoying. At his best, Vegeta is a very pragmatic fighter who will use any kind of advantage to further his own ends. But he has no honor. He has no code. Until the very end of the series, he operates on a very basic principle: "I'll do whatever the fuck I want, and who cares if that harms other people because they're not me."

[nhienphan2808]

Eh. I agree with you about Chichi, and I agree that Vegeta is a darker character type than most other DB characters, but I vehemently disagree that there is anything honorable or samurai-code-like about Vegeta. He wears armor and fights. Those are about the only similarities. This is a guy who didn't give a shit that Raditz had died, nor did he want himself or Nappa to start trying to repopulate their almost-extinct race because he didn't want others trying to usurp him. He kills Nappa solely because he lost to an opponent. As far in as the Cell arc he asserts that earthlings are weird for not just killing anybody they find annoying. At his best, Vegeta is a very pragmatic fighter who will use any kind of advantage to further his own ends. But he has no honor. He has no code. Until the very end of the series, he operates on a very basic principle: "I'll do whatever the fuck I want, and who cares if that harms other people because they're not me."

II think when you break it down, it's just a cultural difference between Earthlings and Saiyans. I look at him as such a "Japanese Samurai warrior" in Saiyan standards. Saiyans are all evil killers, so among them he's just a bigger selfish asshole. Among humans, there are assholes, too, and the stereotype Samurais are not always "nice" people.

It's true he didn't give jackshit about anyone, that's why i put the word honorable in " ". . It's hard for me to explain my point with a guy like Vegeta, but i'll' try. I think his "honor" lies in the sense that he's true to what he wants to do. Look at Raditz. Everything he says is about pride and honor, but then he kidnapped a kid and said things like "Let go of my tail, I'll never come back" just to escape Goku's grip. I don't see Vegeta EVER doing that begging kind of cowardice, even if he was the guy who has power level of 1000. At his most evil, psycho state, he never choose other than the straightest way in front of his enemy. Yeah, he does what he wants, gives it his all, straight-forwardly and simple-mindedly, to the point of stupidity;and that is his code. He trains his ass off to be strong, fights a enemy when they are at the strongest. He does show fear and give up, but when he realized he screwed up, he takes the beating fair and square. In Cell Games he apologized to Gohan when he's "useless". Majin Vegeta takes his responsibility.

IMO a guy who withstands a beating, a GenkiDama, a Oozaruu, a slash to his back all head on and still fights straight and fair, no matter how evil he is, has a hell of a code of "honor". His sense of rivalry and pride, his attitude toward death when he's cornered, as well as his tsundere-ness to family life made him even more akin to that (in)famous Samurai image of the old Japanese.