How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion)?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

You're speaking in hyperbole, it wasn't every scene.

Didnt say it was, but unlike his more consistent tones in Kai - he went from unfaltteringly shouty, to whiny, hence making it overblown.

I don't get that AT ALL. Is this coming from nostalgia? His delivery has more range than his gravel in the throat deliver he used to have, and it's more natural. Not to come off as rude, because I have no idea where you got the idea of "cynical" from Sabat's current delivery.

Theres a difference between being calm-spoken and unecessarily grumpy.Which BoG-Piccolo came off to me when he spoke his bits throughout the movie despite not doing anything.

It seems like you love the old dub because of nostalgia, and used a thesaurus to come up with a bunch of words to justify it.

Well no, because I actually do know what the word means enough to not have to use random "thesaurus" adjectives.

And no, Nostalgia never had anything to do with what I said. I was comparing his dialogue delivery from the later pre-kai games (where Chris delivery started to change) to his current BoG deilvery. (which came off as exaggerated to me, but less so than Vegeta's overthetopness in that movie.) For example when he was listening to Beerus and Goku chat, he stated that Beerus sounded like he was trying to prep Goku, but not with an inquisitive tone, but a cynical tone - as if he didn't want to accept something like that while having no reason not to. Its that type of bizzare attitude I get from the way Piccolo post-kai speaks in his delivery now. Its not even about how his voice is tuned.

Actually, it's usually it's whether or not they can portray the character well or not as well as if they can actual act. Honestly, dubs have gotten so much better compared to back then. Voice actors aren't voice imitators nor are they required to always be able to alter their voice.

Funimation has never been like that, and it shows if they would cast Kid Uub with the voice he currently has, which sounds nothing like what the character is described to be. There are also other dubs with similar problems as well. Miscasts do happen and Funimation is no exception, even now.

[ABED]

You're speaking in hyperbole, it wasn't every scene.

Didnt say it was, but unlike his more consistent tones in Kai - he went from unfaltteringly shouty, to whiny, hence making it overblown.

I don't get that AT ALL. Is this coming from nostalgia? His delivery has more range than his gravel in the throat deliver he used to have, and it's more natural. Not to come off as rude, because I have no idea where you got the idea of "cynical" from Sabat's current delivery.

Theres a difference between being calm-spoken and unecessarily grumpy.Which BoG-Piccolo came off to me when he spoke his bits throughout the movie despite not doing anything.

Yes you did, and I quote

in BoG Chris just goes from literally yelling every read word for no reason

The Bingo scene WAS over the top so the delivery made sense.

[matt0044]

The Bingo scene WAS over the top so the delivery made sense.

How could anybody not get this?

[gohann]

I thought Sabat was a better Vegeta in Battle of Gods, though that bingo scene wasn't one of his best moments.

[Lord Beerus]

I thought Sabat was a better Vegeta in Battle of Gods, though that bingo scene wasn't one of his best moments.

I thought the bingo scene was one of the best moments Sabat did as Vegeta in BOG.

[Singh is King]

You're speaking in hyperbole, it wasn't every scene.

Didnt say it was, but unlike his more consistent tones in Kai - he went from unfaltteringly shouty, to whiny, hence making it overblown.

I don't get that AT ALL. Is this coming from nostalgia? His delivery has more range than his gravel in the throat deliver he used to have, and it's more natural. Not to come off as rude, because I have no idea where you got the idea of "cynical" from Sabat's current delivery.

Theres a difference between being calm-spoken and unecessarily grumpy.Which BoG-Piccolo came off to me when he spoke his bits throughout the movie despite not doing anything.

It seems like you love the old dub because of nostalgia, and used a thesaurus to come up with a bunch of words to justify it.

Well no, because I actually do know what the word means enough to not have to use random "thesaurus" adjectives.

And no, Nostalgia never had anything to do with what I said. I was comparing his dialogue delivery from the later pre-kai games (where Chris delivery started to change) to his current BoG deilvery. (which came off as exaggerated to me, but less so than Vegeta's overthetopness in that movie.) For example when he was listening to Beerus and Goku chat, he stated that Beerus sounded like he was trying to prep Goku, but not with an inquisitive tone, but a cynical tone - as if he didn't want to accept something like that while having no reason not to. Its that type of bizzare attitude I get from the way Piccolo post-kai speaks in his delivery now. Its not even about how his voice is tuned.

Actually, it's usually it's whether or not they can portray the character well or not as well as if they can actual act. Honestly, dubs have gotten so much better compared to back then. Voice actors aren't voice imitators nor are they required to always be able to alter their voice.

Funimation has never been like that, and it shows if they would cast Kid Uub with the voice he currently has, which sounds nothing like what the character is described to be. There are also other dubs with similar problems as well. Miscasts do happen and Funimation is no exception, even now.

I actually have similar feelings on all of this as you and gohann, tbh.

Oh, and there are plenty of bad dubs still out there these days, contrary to what matt said: modern day children's anime dubs are actually worse now than they were back then, if you ask me. Dubbing has for the most part improved vastly in other regards like what matt said, but there are certainly terrible dubs still out there.

I thought Sabat was a better Vegeta in Battle of Gods, though that bingo scene wasn't one of his best moments.

I think his Vegeta was pretty good apart from that scene in BoG, but his Piccolo is just bad. He always sounds flat when voicing him nowadays and there's no real depth to it: I actually prefer Scott McNeil's take, and it's rare for me to prefer an Ocean dub voice.

[gohann]

I think his Vegeta was pretty good apart from that scene in BoG, but his Piccolo is just bad. He always sounds flat when voicing him nowadays and there's no real depth to it: I actually prefer Scott McNeil's take, and it's rare for me to prefer an Ocean dub voice.

I do agree that Chris Sabat's Piccolo sucks, but when was it ever good?

[Lord Beerus]

I think his Vegeta was pretty good apart from that scene in BoG, but his Piccolo is just bad. He always sounds flat when voicing him nowadays and there's no real depth to it: I actually prefer Scott McNeil's take, and it's rare for me to prefer an Ocean dub voice.

I do agree that Chris Sabat's Piccolo sucks, but when was it ever good?

Ever since Kai.

[matt0044]

I think his Vegeta was pretty good apart from that scene in BoG, but his Piccolo is just bad. He always sounds flat when voicing him nowadays and there's no real depth to it: I actually prefer Scott McNeil's take, and it's rare for me to prefer an Ocean dub voice.

I do agree that Chris Sabat's Piccolo sucks, but when was it ever good?

I liked it in Kai where it was deep but not flat. I worked for his usually reserved personality.

[gohann]

It's still somewhat lacking in character or depth. Chris Sabat plays his reserved side just fine, but not really much else. It's not as bad as his initial performance, but still leaves much to be desired.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I actually have similar feelings on all of this as you and gohann, tbh.

Oh, and there are plenty of bad dubs still out there these days, contrary to what matt said: modern day children's anime dubs are actually worse now than they were back then, if you ask me. Dubbing has for the most part improved vastly in other regards like what matt said, but there are certainly terrible dubs still out there.

Regardless of what people's standards for good acting come from, I find deleveries being the biggest problem with a lot of modern Dubs personally, where Funimation in particular now tries to be so dead-on-accurate to what they percieve, that the direction of their deliveries just come off as very stiff, monotoned and boring. The old dub at least sounded like most of the cast had fun with it in their post-Android Saga deliveries. Now they just sound like they're trying to squeeze into whatever box they have set for themselves for delivery their fanbase will accept. The only thing that really improved with dubbing these days us just scripting for the most part, but people today seem to think that so long as the script is right, the quality of the dub automatically must be as well.

The Bingo scene WAS over the top so the delivery made sense.

Over the top does not mean, obnoxiously shout every word. That doesnt make a line read funny. It makes it sound stupid.

[Daisetsu]

It makes it sound stupid.

Well, the scene wasn't supposed to sound smart in the first place, so it fits.

[KaiserNeko]

It makes it sound stupid.

Well, the scene wasn't supposed to sound smart in the first place, so it fits.

100% agreed. It's Vegeta trying to sing a goofy bingo song; of course he sounds like a freaking idiot.

[matt0044]

It makes it sound stupid.

Well, the scene wasn't supposed to sound smart in the first place, so it fits.

100% agreed. It's Vegeta trying to sing a goofy bingo song; of course he sounds like a freaking idiot.

How do people not get this?

[Kamiccolo9]

How do people not get this?

Because Vegeta's supposed to be a "badass."

Apparently.

Because being a massive failure at basically everything he's tried to do, and being in denial about it are supposedly "badass."

[Ushabtis]

For the most part I liked the dub of Kai. Some of the voice actor changes were for the better. Having someone other than Sabat voice all the characters is definitely was good step in the right direction. Ayers was wonderful as Frieza, can't wait to hear him in ROF. Also I was surprised when I heard Dende, they changed the voice I'd have thought Bailey would have stayed, but i really liked the new voice. Who ever the narrator was in Kai, I actually liked him better than the signature Hubert DBZ narrator voice. and pretty much everyone else is doing fine, no one really stood out (bad or good) for me to remember.

While I do prefer the Nadolny voice for kid Goku (especially goku's wasn't a fan at all for Clinkenbeard's goku.) and Gohan more than Clinkenbeard's, I have to give a big round of applause to Clinkenbeard for having her change her voice through out the course of the show for Gohan. It shows Gohan's growth as a character very well, we not only get to see him grow in maturity with his personality but also his changes physically I'd have love to see if Nadolny could have delivered this as well but I'll never know.

Overall I think a big reason why the kai dub was a lot better was the better dialog all around (yeah kai got a bit lazy in parts but no where near original Z levels of cheese.) I mean, I don't care if you're the greatest voice actor in the universe. No one can pull off "pop goes the weasel" when an iconic character dies and still be able to keep the tension of the scene. Another thing kai does right is cut out fighting filler, also hard to sound like a good VA when you have to say "ugh ah rah ugh" when the screen zooms in on your face for 5-10 seconds. the other reason too was the VA's have much more experience voicing these characters, some have been voicing their character for over 10 years lets hope they'd have it down by now. Also their talents have just increased over the years with other voicing roles.

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I was watching battle of the gods and was there a reason why they went back and changed a couple character voice actors?

Spoiler:

also sounded like Nadolny was voicing kid goku in the front scene, probably an old recording just thought it was surprising. I know they used a line for Frieza as well, "I'm the strongest in the Universe!"

[Singh is King]

I think his Vegeta was pretty good apart from that scene in BoG, but his Piccolo is just bad. He always sounds flat when voicing him nowadays and there's no real depth to it: I actually prefer Scott McNeil's take, and it's rare for me to prefer an Ocean dub voice.

I do agree that Chris Sabat's Piccolo sucks, but when was it ever good?

I thought it was okay in Kai like what matt0044 said, but post-Kai it's regressed to this flat, gruff tone again in BoG. Not the "grunting ogre" of old, but nothing special, either.

Also I heard a trailer of RoF's dub: I think Goku's voice has improved, and so has Vegeta's, but McFarland's Roshi sounds silly now, IMO. Is that just me?

[gohann]

I'd say it was decent at best in Kai but nothing special.

Roshi DOES sound off! What happened to his voice there?

[Singh is King]

I'd say it was decent at best in Kai but nothing special.

Roshi DOES sound off! What happened to his voice there?

Agreed: more or less the same thoughts.

No idea-- he sounds so silly and goofy now. I preferred McFarland's take on Roshi in DB, like in this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0SjqNrhyNE

[gohann]

It's funny, actually: FUNi DB gets better while FUNi Kai gets worse.