Freeza and his men all have stereotypically "gay" traits?

[Big Momma]

Feminists will find ANYTHING to complain about

While that doesn't particularly add anything here, switch "feminists" for "certain sub-groups of feminism" (becausenthere are many completely separate groups with different agendas using the same name) and it becomes true and inoffensive, because that's literally their intention.

More like "Switch Feminists for 'Feminists on Tumblr'".

Regardless, I always find it interesting when people discuss these kinds of things regarding Dragon Ball. Whether it be racial, sexual, or gender stereotypes...it's definitely interesting to hear people speculate on it. Personally, I never really put that much thought into those things while watching.

[Smochi]

I definitely think they were given feminine traits, but I think it's up to the viewer to decide if that strikes them as 'gay' or not. I personally don't see it. Yes they may have acted posh or delicate, but I don't see traits of them liking other men(accept for a few choice instances in the Funi dub) so I just assumed they were aristocratic. If someone views the same traits that I view as aristocratic as gay, then I could see them thinking they're gay.


Then again, same goes for what traits people view as feminine. XD I guess what I'm just saying is that they struck me as a spoiled empire who were not used to needing to get their hands dirty in order to get what they wanted.

[Fizzer]

I definitely think they were given feminine traits, but I think it's up to the viewer to decide if that strikes them as 'gay' or not. I personally don't see it. Yes they may have acted posh or delicate, but I don't see traits of them liking other men(accept for a few choice instances in the Funi dub) so I just assumed they were aristocratic. If someone views the same traits that I view as aristocratic as gay, then I could see them thinking they're gay.


Then again, same goes for what traits people view as feminine. XD I guess what I'm just saying is that they struck me as a spoiled empire who were not used to needing to get their hands dirty in order to get what they wanted.

This is exactly why I put "stereotypically" in the title - who knows what actualy "gay traits" are?

[ABED]

I definitely think they were given feminine traits, but I think it's up to the viewer to decide if that strikes them as 'gay' or not. I personally don't see it. Yes they may have acted posh or delicate, but I don't see traits of them liking other men(accept for a few choice instances in the Funi dub) so I just assumed they were aristocratic. If someone views the same traits that I view as aristocratic as gay, then I could see them thinking they're gay.


Then again, same goes for what traits people view as feminine. XD I guess what I'm just saying is that they struck me as a spoiled empire who were not used to needing to get their hands dirty in order to get what they wanted.

This is exactly why I put "stereotypically" in the title - who knows what actualy "gay traits" are?

Attraction to the same sex is a big one

[ss4songoku]

Stereotypes seem to be very common in anime. Often in a derogatory fashion. Take Mr. Popo and Jinx for example. I have always wondered why that was.

[Fizzer]

Well, Popo isn't human, and I seriously doubt Toriyama had any kind of hateful thoughts while designing him. I don't think the "black face" and its implications are even that well known here in the UK (I know about it because of Popo), and I'm guessing it's even further from public awareness in Japan. I imagine it was a case of "Oh, I'll base it on that American art style with the black face and big lips!" while being pretty much unaware of what it meant or how it was offensive, because basically, that whole thing didn't happen in Japan.

Jynx probably wasn't based on the black face at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8X3l_Tt8VE

[The Time Traveller]

I always thought they were just snobs as a kid

Still do

Yes, exactly, thinking they're "acting gay" is childish, they act like stereotypical posh rich people, they're like evil Frasier and Niles.

Like the Ginyu Special Corps posing, they're supposed to be Power Rangers!

[Kid Buu]

If the Ginyu Squad were meant to be a parody of Super Sentai, how come we never see the Ginyu-Megazord battle it out with Oozaru Vegeta?

[Gonstead]

If the Ginyu Squad were meant to be a parody of Super Sentai, how come we never see the Ginyu-Megazord battle it out with Oozaru Vegeta?

Tokusatsu ain't always about Giant Robots. What's probably most remembered are the silly and uneeded poses the heroes strike.

It's all about style.

[Kid Buu]

That's true; my favourite Toku (Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon) didn't have giant robots. Now imagine if the Ginyu Force were actually Sailor Senshi, they'd fuck up anyone except for Yamcha.

Also, Freeza's English Voice reminded me Rita from Power Rangers a bit. So I guess that's where the "gay" trait comes from.

[ABED]

That's true; my favourite Toku (Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon) didn't have giant robots. Now imagine if the Ginyu Force were actually Sailor Senshi, they'd fuck up anyone except for Yamcha.

Also, Freeza's English Voice reminded me Rita from Power Rangers a bit. So I guess that's where the "gay" trait comes from.

Coincidentally, Barbara Goodson, the voice of Rita, was also the voice of Goku in the Harmony Gold dub.

[Basaku]

Well, Popo isn't human, and I seriously doubt Toriyama had any kind of hateful thoughts while designing him. I don't think the "black face" and its implications are even that well known here in the UK (I know about it because of Popo), and I'm guessing it's even further from public awareness in Japan. I imagine it was a case of "Oh, I'll base it on that American art style with the black face and big lips!" while being pretty much unaware of what it meant or how it was offensive, because basically, that whole thing didn't happen in Japan.

Jynx probably wasn't based on the black face at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8X3l_Tt8VE

Makes sense with blackface, but obviously not with stereotypical gay/feminine traits. Let's be honest, I doubt AT was a homophobe but he wasn't partciularly thoughful or considerate either, especially 20/30 years ago. Throughout 519 chapters and huge cast of characters, there's not a single 'normal' gay dude appearing in DB, while stupid offensive stereotypes like Blue and Otokosuki appear with no problem...

[Fizzer]

Well, Popo isn't human, and I seriously doubt Toriyama had any kind of hateful thoughts while designing him. I don't think the "black face" and its implications are even that well known here in the UK (I know about it because of Popo), and I'm guessing it's even further from public awareness in Japan. I imagine it was a case of "Oh, I'll base it on that American art style with the black face and big lips!" while being pretty much unaware of what it meant or how it was offensive, because basically, that whole thing didn't happen in Japan.

Jynx probably wasn't based on the black face at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8X3l_Tt8VE

Makes sense with blackface, but obviously not with stereotypical gay/feminine traits. Let's be honest, I doubt AT was a homophobe but he wasn't partciularly thoughful or considerate either, especially 20/30 years ago. Throughout 519 chapters and huge cast of characters, there's not a single 'normal' gay dude appearing in DB, while stupid offensive stereotypes like Blue and Otokosuki appear with no problem...

Blue might not be perfect, but I actually thought that (in the manga only) he was a pretty good gay character considering he's from '80s Japan. I could be wrong, but I think it was quite rare to see a homosexual character whose sexuality wasn't their main/only feature, but actually quite a small part of their character. Otokosuki, on the hand... Well...

[Basaku]

Blue might not be perfect, but I actually thought that (in the manga only) he was a pretty good gay character considering he's from '80s Japan. I could be wrong, but I think it was quite rare to see a homosexual character whose sexuality wasn't their main/only feature, but actually quite a small part of their character. Otokosuki, on the hand... Well...

Except that Blue hits on little boys And acts like a screaming girl when seeing a mouse and when Bulma touches him. This is more of a contest which one was more offensive, AT certintely doesn't deserve any 'good job!' points for Blue

[Fizzer]

Blue might not be perfect, but I actually thought that (in the manga only) he was a pretty good gay character considering he's from '80s Japan. I could be wrong, but I think it was quite rare to see a homosexual character whose sexuality wasn't their main/only feature, but actually quite a small part of their character. Otokosuki, on the hand... Well...

Except that Blue hits on little boys And acts like a screaming girl when seeing a mouse and when Bulma touches him. This is more of a contest which one was more offensive, AT certintely doesn't deserve any 'good job!' points for Blue

I'll give you the Bulma thing. Blue is afraid of the mouse because he hates dirty things, and I think that's a separate character trait played for comedy, such as when he has a soldier executed for picking his nose. The pedophilia was added by Toei in the anime (it seems they advocated harsher views), which is why I said I was talking specifically about manga Blue.

[Basaku]

I'll give you the Bulma thing. Blue is afraid of the mouse because he hates dirty things, and I think that's a separate character trait played for comedy, such as when he has a soldier executed for picking his nose. The pedophilia was added by Toei in the anime (it seems they advocated harsher views), which is why I said I was talking specifically about manga Blue.

Let's give 0.5 "points" then. Not exactly convinced him being scared of dirt wasn't just another stereotypical jab but let's assume it wasn't and perhaps that's all one could realistically expect of "manga in the mid-80s". But the franchise run to mid 90s. And the overall picture didn't get any better, AT used homosexuality for villains, kicks, camping-up & comedy, not exactly uplifting stuff. Not one of the huge cast of main heroes was "normal gay" to balance things out, even at the end of the saga.

[Fizzer]

I'll give you the Bulma thing. Blue is afraid of the mouse because he hates dirty things, and I think that's a separate character trait played for comedy, such as when he has a soldier executed for picking his nose. The pedophilia was added by Toei in the anime (it seems they advocated harsher views), which is why I said I was talking specifically about manga Blue.

Let's give 0.5 "points" then. Not exactly convinced him being scared of dirt wasn't just another stereotypical jab but let's assume it wasn't and perhaps that's all one could realistically expect of "manga in the mid-80s". But the franchise run to mid 90s. And the overall picture didn't get any better, AT used homosexuality for villains, kicks, camping-up & comedy, not exactly uplifting stuff. Not one of the huge cast of main heroes was "normal gay" to balance things out, even at the end of the saga.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying it was an ultra-modern equalist masterpiece or anything of the sort, just that I thought the way Blue was handled was better than most back then.