Are Towa, Miira, and Demigra more powerful than BoG tier?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I haven't really gotten into the whole DBO story, but it's starting to look more interesting to me since Xenoverse is coming out and all.

But are these three villains stronger than, or at least have the potential to surpass Lord Beerus and Whis?

[hleV]

I am 99% they're not. Can't remember which name belongs to whom (Towa/Mira), but IIRC the girl is just some magician (Kaio[shin]?) while the guy is an android. I find the girl pretty weak, considering she retreats all the time when battles involve below-Cell or even below-Freeza levels of power, though I guess she may not have seen the point to bother. The guy should be pretty strong, but BOG level? I highly doubt it. Who's Demigra?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I am 99% they're not. Can't remember which name belongs to whom (Towa/Mira), but IIRC the girl is just some magician (Kaio[shin]?) while the guy is an android. I find the girl pretty weak, considering she retreats all the time when battles involve below-Cell or even below-Freeza levels of power, though I guess she may not have seen the point to bother. The guy should be pretty strong, but BOG level? I highly doubt it. Who's Demigra?

It looks like we won't know anything about Demigra until Xenoverse, so he could possibly be the big threat even above BoG.
Not sure if Xenoverse is meant to fit in the continuity though as it supposedly happens after Z.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Demigra wasn't in DBO, and we don't know anything about him/her yet other than his/her name.

All we know about Miira is that he is stronger than DBO Piccolo & Trunks. We'll have to wait for more info through Xenoverse, since DBO is canceled.

As for Towa, what hleV said.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Demigra wasn't in DBO, and we don't know anything about him/her yet other than his/her name.

All we know about Miira is that he is stronger than DBO Piccolo & Trunks. We'll have to wait for more info through Xenoverse, since DBO is canceled.

As for Towa, what hleV said.

But is Xenoverse confirmed to add to the lore or is it just a game adaptation?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But is Xenoverse confirmed to add to the lore or is it just a game adaptation?

You mean if XV is confirmed to be canon? Nothing is ever classified as canon or non-canon in DB.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Demigra wasn't in DBO, and we don't know anything about him/her yet other than his/her name.

We know he's a Demon God (Makaio[shin]?). So perhaps weaker than the Kaioshin? At least before Towa and Mira collect Kiri throughout the game?

As for the other two? No. As someone mentioned, we know Mira is stronger than Trunks and Piccolo from the AGE 1,000 era, and that's about it. We honestly don't see a lot from Towa or Mira in the games before the cancellation, but nothing really gives off the vibe that they are anywhere close to pushing the level of Beerus and Whis. Depending on what Trunks has gone through since the last time we saw him and how much Piccolo trained, I suppose it could be entirely possible that Mira isn't even stronger than Cell's peak.

[ZazamPow]

The entirety of Xenoverse is just a big what-if story. It's not necessarily canon, although I suppose you could argue that it's not non-cannon either since IIRC, the point of the story is to align all the anomalies back with how things should be, so at the end you basically wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

[Saiga]

Demigra wasn't in DBO, and we don't know anything about him/her yet other than his/her name.

We know he's a Demon God (Makaio[shin]?). So perhaps weaker than the Kaioshin? At least before Towa and Mira collect Kiri throughout the game?

As for the other two? No. As someone mentioned, we know Mira is stronger than Trunks and Piccolo from the AGE 1,000 era, and that's about it. We honestly don't see a lot from Towa or Mira in the games before the cancellation, but nothing really gives off the vibe that they are anywhere close to pushing the level of Beerus and Whis. Depending on what Trunks has gone through since the last time we saw him and how much Piccolo trained, I suppose it could be entirely possible that Mira isn't even stronger than Cell's peak.

I think as a "Demon God" it's far more likely that Demigra is going to be a God on the likes of Beerus/Godku with the new direction the franchise is taking. He appears in story mode after Beerus, and these new super strong Gods are the hot new thing.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think as a "Demon God" it's far more likely that Demigra is going to be a God on the likes of Beerus/Godku with the new direction the franchise is taking. He appears in story mode after Beerus, and these new super strong Gods are the hot new thing.

That's entirely possible, but I wouldn't say it's far more likely. Given the rest of content in the game, one could easily argue that Demigra could also be recycled DBO material the game just never got to before the cancellation. I mean, the game didn't even make it to SS Goku vs. Freeza. That probably would have left us with at least 9 TMQs and maybe 8 UDs, so we missed out on a LOT of story material. Who knows what they didn't get around to showing us.

Personally, even with the game dead, I'd love an art book of all the game's concepts. Toriyama spent a lot of time drawing material for it after all. Though I'd like to see everything, not just the stuff he worked on.

[Saiga]

I think as a "Demon God" it's far more likely that Demigra is going to be a God on the likes of Beerus/Godku with the new direction the franchise is taking. He appears in story mode after Beerus, and these new super strong Gods are the hot new thing.

That's entirely possible, but I wouldn't say it's far more likely. Given the rest of content in the game, one could easily argue that Demigra could also be recycled DBO material the game just never got to before the cancellation. I mean, the game didn't even make it to SS Goku vs. Freeza. That probably would have left us with at least 9 TMQs and maybe 8 UDs, so we missed out on a LOT of story material. Who knows what they didn't get around to showing us.

I definitely think it's more likely. Even if Demigra was something to be used in DBO, they could have repurposed him. And I don't think "Makaioshin" would be translated as "Demon God" but something like "[Evil/Devil/Demon/Dark] Supreme Kai". They've incorporated Battle of Gods into this story, so obviously this isn't pure DBO material. The timing of this, the direction the franchise is taking, following Beerus up with Demigra, the name "Demon God" to match the current Gods... to me, everything points to Demigra being new God-tier.

I could very well be wrong, but I'm absolutely sure that's what they're going for here. It makes the most sense to me, and seems like the smartest decision to try and tie in to all the fresh new material.

I would prefer a Makaioshin buuuut I think that material is never going to be adequately explored. If Demigra is a Makaioshin, I fully expect that they'll make no reference to the "currently weaker than the Kaioshin" comment and it'll be up to fans to explain why he's so damn strong (like your idea with kiri boosting him).

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Of course it isn't pure DBO material, Bandai Namco (and thus Dimps) have the rights to more material from the franchise, and and of course Battle of Gods didn't exist back then anyway. Would it have been included had DBO continued, if it grew more popular and they could renegotiate for more rights? Likely not, but we can't say for certain.

Anyway, I don't know. If they truly wanted to follow the new god theme of the recent movies, you would think they'd do that with the Time Kaioshin too, since they aren't above making some changes to the source DBO material. They could have easily done so. She had never been seen before and wasn't mentioned but like twice in all the game material me and my fiance have translated to this point. But most of the material in the game has remained pretty darn faithful in terms of character information. Trunks is still a Time Patrolman, the Time Kaioshin is still the Kaioshin of time, Towa is still a mage ("scientist") from the demon realm collecting energy, Mira is still an artificial lifeform Towa created, and both of them are still unraveling history. The only real detail we aren't certain on is if they are still a couple with a kid.

The Makaio(shin) material is still fairly recent as well. It's been a while since DBO (whatever was intended there) and the SEGs, but the tidbits were just mentioned yet again in the Chozenshuu last year, and again in the Full Color Q&As earlier this year. So they still have some relevance IMO. Would they have went with *evil/demonic word* Supreme Kai? I don't know. Funi has gotten better, but still aren't perfect. They didn't ignore the gods in Battle of Gods (how could they?), but they did try to skirt around it a bit with Beerus the Destroyer. I could see them looking at Makaioshin / Demon Realm King God and taking a sharpie to it for Demon Realm King God. Especially if the tiny connections to the Kaio(shin) aren't addressed in the game.

Not saying it has to be this way. They could easily want to go for something much grander in scale, but I just don't see either option being more likely than the other. Though I'm definitely wanting it to be a Makaioshin so that mystery can be solved.

[Saiga]

Wasn't the Time Kaioshin changed from Kaio to Kaioshin, though? So they've already made a fairly frivolous change. Hell the 'time' part in the Japanese names is even written differently although I don't know the significance of that.

Where were the Makaioshin mentioned in the Full Colour Q & A's? Was it anything new or just repeated information like the Chogenshuu? Also, any idea what Herms meant by Chogenshuu 4 making it likely that Dabra isn't a Makaio/shin? He never got back to me on that.

I definitely think they'd go with [baaaaad] Supreme Kai, because of the consistency. I think they even should go with that, so casual fans understand the connection through name. Didn't they already translate the Time Kaioshin as Supreme Kai of Time?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Toki no Kaioshin could have been what they meant for DBO. The name was in Korean and we had to translate it to the Japanese equivalent, which isn't always an exact science. We tried to do some research on the Korean version of DB, but my fiance just isn't all that familiar with it. She mainly watched the Japanese version or the Funi dub when she moved here. The Korean characters seemed to match up with Kaio discussions, but it could have been Kaioshin. Using "jikan" over "toki" was definitely our doing though after researching the Japanese characters for time and their specific definitions, though toki wouldn't have exactly been wrong.

It was just the same recycled information. The fact that they are circulating it more frequently could mean something, or it may not. But the concept is still relatively fresh in some fans minds, so it wouldn't seem weird to me if they were finally expanding on the concept. (I'd assume he just meant that Dabra isn't listed as an example of a Makaioshin or anything? I dunno. You're still better off trying to ask him. lol)

They did. Though even modern Funi isn't exactly consistent with Dragon Ball. Subtitles are one thing, but games always use dubtitles and I just don't trust them as much. An inconsistency or oversight wouldn't surprise me. That's why when the achievements or trophies, whatever it was that leaked, were revealed, I wanted the Japanese version of Demigra's.

[Angelus]

since DBO is canceled.

WAIT WHAT??

[DBZGTKOSDH]

since DBO is canceled.

WAIT WHAT??

Yeah, it's been over a year since then.