"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

I got to say I'm more satisfied with how the manga ended things compared to the anime. Maybe it was because I already saw it coming but I just feel like it was sorted out better here. The only downside to this arc was we never had that interaction with Gohan from episode 54 I believe. That was a touching episode and I was hoping Toyotoro would have done something similar, oh well. Both the manga and anime have there strong suits.

[sailorspazz]

I've never gotten the "lack of emotion" complaint. I mean, I do agree that the manga doesn't have as much emotion as in the anime, but Dragon Ball isn't a feelsy show to begin with, and what the anime did was very un-DB in that respect. Outside of the latest chapter, which went a bit far in not having any emotion over the death of an entire multiverse, the down time in Toyotaro's rendition of this arc is more or less in-line with what one would've expected from the original manga.

The lack touchy feely stuff isn't even what's bothered me about the arc (and in that regard, it actually added some things that weren't in the anime like the VegeBul hug); it's more the lack of feeling of connection between characters. Zamasu's flimsier motivation led to barely any antagonism between Black and Gokuu, despite the fact that it was his own body that got stolen. They didn't even fight each other, which seems like a huge missed opportunity. In the anime it was a far more personal grudge, which led to brutal revelations like Black gleefully killing Gokuu's family using his own body. Meanwhile, over in the manga, Gokuu gave his standard "if you give up, I'll let you go!" spiel to Zamasu, something that I can't imagine could've ever happened in the anime after what they did (then again, he offered to let Freeza go even after he killed Kuririn, so...I don't know, lol)

Yeah, maybe these sort of personal stakes aren't always present in Dragon Ball, but I found that to be a very compelling component of this arc in the anime, and missed it when it wasn't a part of the manga adaptation.

[LightBing]

I've never gotten the "lack of emotion" complaint. I mean, I do agree that the manga doesn't have as much emotion as in the anime, but Dragon Ball isn't a feelsy show to begin with, and what the anime did was very un-DB in that respect. Outside of the latest chapter, which went a bit far in not having any emotion over the death of an entire multiverse, the down time in Toyotaro's rendition of this arc is more or less in-line with what one would've expected from the original manga.

I think many of the complaints aren't only about emotion but about excitement. Most of the possible excitement in the manga is connect to the obligatory plot, which has already been spoiled by the anime. Even when Toyotarõ builds a cliffhanger it falls flat.

Some of criticisms the manga receives, I feel, don't see the whole picture.

That said by design the anime is built purposely to be a roller-coaster of emotions. Even without what I mentioned the manga probably wouldn't match up in terms of emotion/excitement.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The lack touchy feely stuff isn't even what's bothered me about the arc (and in that regard, it actually added some things that weren't in the anime like the VegeBul hug); it's more the lack of feeling of connection between characters. Zamasu's flimsier motivation led to barely any antagonism between Black and Gokuu, despite the fact that it was his own body that got stolen. They didn't even fight each other, which seems like a huge missed opportunity. In the anime it was a far more personal grudge, which led to brutal revelations like Black gleefully killing Gokuu's family using his own body. Meanwhile, over in the manga, Gokuu gave his standard "if you give up, I'll let you go!" spiel to Zamasu, something that I can't imagine could've ever happened in the anime after what they did (then again, he offered to let Freeza go even after he killed Kuririn, so...I don't know, lol)

Yeah, maybe these sort of personal stakes aren't always present in Dragon Ball, but I found that to be a very compelling component of this arc in the anime, and missed it when it wasn't a part of the manga adaptation.

I see, that makes perfect sense. I still wasn't a fan of the anime's rendition for other reasons, but I'm actually about halfway through rereading Toyotaro's entire FT Arc, and I can totally get the disconnect between protagonists and antagonists, and even to a large degree, a disconnect between the primary and supporting casts.

Actually, a huge problem that I've noticed so far that I didn't pick up on in serialization, Toyotaro doesn't seem to know how to use Mai. Like, at all. To the point where I'm asking myself "Why is she here again?" It makes sense, I guess, she never actually served much purpose other than a motivation for Trunks at the beginning of the story, but I liked that they made here a total badass in the TV show. Even though you knew she wasn't really doing anything, you liked her anyway, and you admired her for finally taking a stand after spending an entire lifetime in petty villainy, in mediocrity. When push came to shove, she became who she needed to be, and it was so fun to see. In the manga, she's just tagging along as Trunks' love interest, and that's it. You could've literally removed her from the entire story and lose nothing.

[THEGOKU]

I can't fault Toyo for missing on certain moments to give more depth to characters or to add more feelings into the manga. The anime is a whole different game with that and Toyo just doesn't seem at that point in terms of adding depth to the story in ways the anime does like someone said above about when Black told Goku about how he killed his family. Of course we don't know what fully goes on behind the scenes but for me it's moments like that the manga is missing that keeps it from going from good to great. Of course that comes with time.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I can't fault Toyo for missing on certain moments to give more depth to characters or to add more feelings into the manga. The anime is a whole different game with that and Toyo just doesn't seem at that point in terms of adding depth to the story in ways the anime does like someone said above about when Black told Goku about how he killed his family. Of course we don't know what fully goes on behind the scenes but for me it's moments like that the manga is missing that keeps it from going from good to great. Of course that comes with time.

Sure, but it's always important not to obscure faults while praising successes. It genuinely is an area that, while not to the same extent as the anime, could've been emphasized more.

[Miracles]

I am/was entertained by both anime and manga. Anime went the "We don't care about your feelings for power levels WE JUST DO IT" route.
The manga was more conservative with reasons trying to be a little bit more careful.

[Bullza]

Did Future Zeno destroy just Future Trunk' Universe 7 or the entire Multiverse, as in he wiped out the entire Timeline?

If it was the former then I'd wonder why he was still hovering around in the empty white space rather than just go back home.

[Boo Machine]

Did Future Zeno destroy just Future Trunk' Universe 7 or the entire Multiverse, as in he wiped out the entire Timeline?

If it was the former then I'd wonder why he was still hovering around in the empty white space rather than just go back home.

The time ring disappearing after Zeno does his little "now-you-see-it-now-you-don't" act seems to tell us that it's the entire Timeline that gets wiped out.

[Bullza]

The time ring disappearing after Zeno does his little "now-you-see-it-now-you-don't" act seems to tell us that it's the entire Timeline that gets wiped out.

The other Time Rings that were left are they other alternate timelines from Universe 7 or across all Universes?

Because Universe 7 is supposed to also have Cell's timeline and maybe another so were there Time Rings for that?

[dbgtFO]

The time ring disappearing after Zeno does his little "now-you-see-it-now-you-don't" act seems to tell us that it's the entire Timeline that gets wiped out.

The other Time Rings that were left are they other alternate timelines from Universe 7 or across all Universes?

Because Universe 7 is supposed to also have Cell's timeline and maybe another so were there Time Rings for that?

1. Yes of course across all universes.
2. Not any more apparently, both manga and anime imply that only one new ring was created recently(by "that idiot" Trunks). Again implying that Timelines get overwritten.

[Boo Machine]

The time ring disappearing after Zeno does his little "now-you-see-it-now-you-don't" act seems to tell us that it's the entire Timeline that gets wiped out.

The other Time Rings that were left are they other alternate timelines from Universe 7 or across all Universes?

Because Universe 7 is supposed to also have Cell's timeline and maybe another so were there Time Rings for that?

As far as I understand the whole Time ring thing is that every ring represents a timeline, each with it's own version of the multiverse, which of course includes Universe 7. I am unsure which timelines each ring comes from, since all those timelines go over my head. I just know that the ring Trunks timeline belongs to is the one Zeno wiped out.

[Humming-bird]

Well, I enjoyed the manga version, and it seems Toyotaro is a hardworker so I can congratulate him. However, I would have given an advice for the narration: since you (Tori's plot point) wanted to erase the entire Timeline (btw it is erased in Age 796 or so, allowing Trunks and Mai to create another Timeline in a past age), It should have been good to show the Zamasu army being present in other planets and universes, giving even more despair to the situation and making Zen'o's action more credible. But this is just my opinion. It is still possible to draw that myself and add it to the manga tho, but my drawing is not good
You know what? I would also have enjoyed seing Manga Fused Zamas using Teleportation and Kamehama techniques, I think he could use them, perhaps we will see that in a video game ?
Btw, I recommend you to read Toyble's DBAF, if you want to know where manga Goku Black came from ^^
Back to chapter 26, I am now curious about Pilaf's future, do they (Toyo and Tori) have plans for him? The end of the arc mentionned again Beerus' sealing technique (you know the Z-sword thing that was better than Mafuba), I really hope we see him use it one day !!

The ending really made me feel that they wanted to give total freedom for Trunks and Mai, they may be used in the future for a spin-off content

One last thing I wanted to say for some people on this forum, I mean for those who were like "The manga should end this arc this month already!!" since months: you are just a bunch of CRI-BA-BIES. I am certain that you have no idea what the work of a creator, an artist is. You are only good to complain and it's not like you paid

[Kanassa]

One last thing I wanted to say for some people on this forum, I mean for those who were like "The manga should end this arc this month already!!" since months: you are just a bunch of CRI-BA-BIES. I am certain that you have no idea what the work of a creator, an artist is. You are only good to complain and it's not like you paid

Your logic is impeccable.

[KidGokuDB]

Holy crap, Gohan actually makes an appearance again in the manga side story.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/888702424780689408

Even better it sort of gives reason to his appearance in the next arc (him mentioning nobody contacts him in fighting) and sets up as to why Future Trunks leaves in the manga. Props to Herms for the translation in tweets.

[Basako]

Holy crap, Gohan actually makes an appearance again the manga side story.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/888702424780689408

Even better it sort of gives reason to his appearance in the next arc (him mentioning nobody contacts him in fighting) and sets up as to why Future Trunks leaves in the manga. Props to Herms for the translation in tweets.

Look at that, there's Gohan!! Well, complaints about them not meeting in the manga will have to go now. So Trunks decides to restore his timeline because Gohan. Whatever.

It's some kind of bonus for the paper edition, right?

[KidGokuDB]

Holy crap, Gohan actually makes an appearance again the manga side story.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/888702424780689408

Even better it sort of gives reason to his appearance in the next arc (him mentioning nobody contacts him in fighting) and sets up as to why Future Trunks leaves in the manga. Props to Herms for the translation in tweets.

Look at that, there's Gohan!! Well, complaints about them not meeting in the manga will have to go now. So Trunks decides to restore his timeline because Gohan. Whatever.

It's some kind of bonus for the paper edition, right?

It most likely will be. Just in time for whenever vol. 4 will be created.

[ACCloud]

The ending was still pretty miserable (I'd guess that must've come from Toriyama if it's the same in both versions), but I adored the first half of this chapter. Zamasu's plan was so much grander, and Goku and Vegeta preparing to make a final stand was amazing - Toyotaro understands these characters INFINITELY better than any of the anime writers seem to. I think the manga did a much better job handling this story arc than the anime, just in terms of writing and fight choreography, but I did miss a few key moments from the anime. But still, those were a few moments amongst 20 episodes, whereas (apart from the ending) I consistently enjoyed the manga. If only this series became was more regular!

[The gr]

Yes gohan finally make an appearance,now there's a reason to see him in the Top and I found this artwork of #17 and #18 by toyotaro

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan meeting trunks at last was probably in the outline as well I see..
Good, gohan looks as good as ever!