Super retelling BOG and ROF

[kemuri07]

I think this is a pretty pointless idea. I haven't yet seen RoF, but BoG is a great movie that doesn't need a remake. Sure it has its flaws with the inconsistent tone, but it still deserves to stand as its own thing. Now it's like they're going the route of DB movies 1-4, with 2 versions of the same story arcs. I'm not usually one to obsess over canon, but this really is going to cause all sorts of confusion among the more casual fans. I mean BoG was supposed to be Toriyama's extension of the Manga. It, along with RoF, are still really new and are already been retconed from the Toriyama-verse. At the very least this could be there chance to make things connect to GT better although I wouldn't hold my breath.

I swear, I see this "everywhere" in on forum: Oh this was such a bad idea BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SOOOOOO CONFUSED. Honestly, if they're really that casual, I don't think they're going to care. Like, at all. If you've seen the movies it's pretty self-explanitory that they're going about BOG in a different way, and if you haven't--well then it doesn't matter.

[Bullza]

I swear, I see this "everywhere" in on forum

That's because it's a valid point. Battle of Gods is a new film and it was believed by almost everyone to be canon. Now people are going to watch it and wonder why they're retelling things.

If they do the same with RoF then it could mean the story is going to be retold before the actual movie gets to a lot of countries.

It's just unnecessary confusion. There's plenty of people here confused about what's actually being done so how are the casual fans going to think.

[kemuri07]

Honestly, I think you need to give people a little bit more credit than that.

And considering the fact that there has always been a precedent for the movies to play with canon, I think they'll be alright.

That, and I don't think they care as much as you think they do.

[Gianchio]

All this final battles are full of plot-twists, now lets look to Freeza final battle arc:

- Goku fights Freeza. Freeza keeps having the upper hand.
- Goku starts the Genkidama. (Freeza barely does anything at first and is just looking at him).
- Piccolo buys time. Krillin and Gohan help too in the end.
- Genkidama is ready and hits Freeza.
- Freeza survives and kills Krillin.
- Goku becomes ssj.
- Both fight. Goku wins.

I put the plot-twists in bold.

I disagree.

- Goku arrives to the battlefield. Freeza kills Vegeta.
- Goku fights Freeza. They seem to be on par.
- Freeza says he's using less than 50% of his power.
- Goku uses the Kaiohkenx20.
- It does nothing on Freeza.
- Goku starts the Genkidama(Freeza barely does anything at first and is just looking at him).
- Piccolo buys time. Krillin and Gohan help too in the end.
- Genkidama is ready and hits Freeza.
- Freeza survives and kills Krillin.
- Goku becomes ssj.
- Goku dominates Freeza.
- Freeza tries to destroy Planet Namek but fails.
- Freeza starts using 100% of his power and the fight is more balanced.
- Guru comes back to life and everyone is teleported to Planet Earth.
- Goku takes the advantage.
- Goku quits the fight.
- Frieza cuts himself in half.
- Goku helps Freeza.
- Goku defeats Freeza after his attack.
- Goku survives.

A lot of things happen in this fight, more than in the others.

[DoomieDoomie911]

I feel a bit mixed about this. I'm excited to see retellings of the movies, but at the same time it kind of ruins the movies themselves. I guess it really just depends on how much they change the stories.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I feel a bit mixed about this. I'm excited to see retellings of the movies, but at the same time it kind of ruins the movies themselves. I guess it really just depends on how much they change the stories.

I don't think it will necessarily ruin the movies, they'll just be considered condensed version of the story, like the Manga is to the Anime and if Super's adaption of them isn't good then we have the movies there, so it is a win win situation really.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It seems more like the events will be expanded upon as they are readapted. BOG is only 5 episodes long when spliced up, but Beerus will apparently remember Super Saiyan God in Episode 3, but his first battle with Goku won't be until Episode 5 based on the titles.

[jjgp1112]

It seems like all this concern about what's canon and what's not is people overthinking the shit out of everything. I take it most of you guys would have nightmares having to follow North American comic franchises.

Multiple tellings of a story don't cancel each other out. They're just that - different interpretations. You're not going to be forced to stop watching Battle of Gods and Resurrection F.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The good thing about this is that there is the chance to have more consistency & explain things more, like:

• Remove the scene where Mr. Satan doesn't know who Dende is.
• Fix Bulma's & Mai's ages.
• Fix Shenlong's wishes.
• Explain better how Super Saiyan God, Saiyan beyond God, and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan work, and how they work with SS/2/3.
• Explain how Gohan's Ultimate works with Super Saiyan.
• Explain how sensing a god's ki works. Why can Dende or Kaio be sensed, while Beerus & Whis can't for example?

[Doctor.]

The good thing about this is that there is the chance to have more consistency & explain things more, like:

• Remove the scene where Mr. Satan doesn't know who Dende is.
• Fix Bulma's & Mai's ages.
• Fix Shenlong's wishes.
• Explain better how Super Saiyan God, Saiyan beyond God, and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan work, and how they work with SS/2/3.
• Explain how Gohan's Ultimate works with Super Saiyan.
• Explain how sensing a god's ki works. Why can Dende or Kaio be sensed, while Beerus & Whis can't for example?

I'd personally remove Vegeta's rage boost, change the requirements to get SSG, show Freeza's training and explain Shisami's strength while I'm at it.

[MCDaveG]

I don't know guys, I am still confused about the people.... It's like everything have remake nowadays. Yamato 2199 for example, outside of the modern-anime clichés, I adored it.
Retelling of the last two movies and integrating them into wider picture with a full fledged series? Hell yes!
Who would be confused by reworked movie with more backstory and connection?
I think it is just butt-hurt folks, who are angry that they won't get their ''brand-new hardcore'' series or after the End of Z series.

DC Comics for example is such a huge mess, that if you want some coherent story, you have to follow up fan made chronological charts and even then it's hard to get oriented, with parallel universes also and since DC launched the New 52...
That is what I call confusing. Hopefully, I am an ''old man'' now, born in the time without the ''pitchy-pitchy'' internet and everything was awesome! We had LEGO, Star Wars, Cable TV with animated shows and action series, lots of toys,
going out doing dangerous stuff and later drinking and smoking secretly and other things, that I can't tell you here because you will get disoriented...
I have the impression that everyone sits down at home and has loads of time to make nitpicking on children TV shows and being angry, because he doesn't have anything else to do.
And I am doing the same right now, oh, how I have fallen... Please, ban, stay away, stay awayyyyy... *pshoo* *pshoo*

[DoomieDoomie911]

It seems like all this concern about what's canon and what's not is people overthinking the shit out of everything. I take it most of you guys would have nightmares having to follow North American comic franchises.

I don't see how people do it...

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

It seems like all this concern about what's canon and what's not is people overthinking the shit out of everything. I take it most of you guys would have nightmares having to follow North American comic franchises.

The funniest thing about this is that if Mark had not shut off my ire, this would have worked just fine. Not for taking the American comics thing as a challenge, but because the comics in question are so disposable between relaunches and too much inter-book overlap that I can pick one up at random and read it without a care; I don't care about the details, so I just read the damn thing because odds are what is actually happening is nothing earth-shattering. While Dragon Ball is one series by one guy, thus an order of events actually matters, given that there are only a handful of key events in these two movies that really have happen, so it goes with Super. I repent!

I have the impression that everyone sits down at home and has loads of time to make nitpicking on children TV shows and being angry, because he doesn't have anything else to do.
And I am doing the same right now, oh, how I have fallen... Please, ban, stay away, stay awayyyyy... *pshoo* *pshoo*

Get outta the pit!

That's the curse of subject forum, really.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The good thing about this is that there is the chance to have more consistency & explain things more, like:

• Remove the scene where Mr. Satan doesn't know who Dende is.
• Fix Bulma's & Mai's ages.
• Fix Shenlong's wishes.
• Explain better how Super Saiyan God, Saiyan beyond God, and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan work, and how they work with SS/2/3.
• Explain how Gohan's Ultimate works with Super Saiyan.
• Explain how sensing a god's ki works. Why can Dende or Kaio be sensed, while Beerus & Whis can't for example?

I'd personally remove Vegeta's rage boost, change the requirements to get SSG, show Freeza's training and explain Shisami's strength while I'm at it.

Oh yeah, I was gonna mention these as well.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I'd personally make neither of the movies ever happen

But if I had to change things, it'd be:

• Get rid of Vegeta's bogus 'rage boost'
• Get rid of this "Gohan lost his Ultimate and can go Super Saiyan!!1!1" nonsense.
• fix the other inconsistencies DBZGTKOSDH mentioned.
• Have a direct statement or feat showing Gotenks/Gohan being superior to Goku to end of all of these debates that include Goku, for some reason, lying about not being able to beat Evil Boo.

[Hellspawn28]

If BOG now happens six months after Buu before then how will Goku become a Super Saiyan God now? They need the the power of six pure-hearted Saiyans and Pan won't be born for another 10 years. I guess they will retcon her age at the end of DBZ now or do something crazy like wish Radditz back to life as a good guy.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

If BOG now happens six months after Buu

Is this what the time frame for Super is? So Gohan's still 16 (or 17)... and he's getting married..?

[Lord Beerus]

If BOG now happens six months after Buu

Is this what the time frame for Super is? So Gohan's still 16 (or 17)... and he's getting married..?

What can you do about young love?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Gohan is physically 18 at this point and Videl is likely 18 or 19, so it's not so bad in terms of age. I only have a problem with it if they are still actually in school. If they managed to graduate early or whatever, let them have at it. They're never going to hurt for money or anything, because Satan is loaded and will always make sure his daughter never has to struggle with such things (as shown by him already building them a house).

[bubibartra]

I'd personally make neither of the movies ever happen

But if I had to change things, it'd be:

• Get rid of Vegeta's bogus 'rage boost'
• Get rid of this "Gohan lost his Ultimate and can go Super Saiyan!!1!1" nonsense.
• fix the other inconsistencies DBZGTKOSDH mentioned.
• Have a direct statement or feat showing Gotenks/Gohan being superior to Goku to end of all of these debates that include Goku, for some reason, lying about not being able to beat Evil Boo.

"nobody hurts my Bulma" was te best moment of BoG xD

get rid the bngo please....