“Shenlong’s back sure is warm…”

[successoroffate]

Was that a subtle way to say that Goku was dead and therefore, his body was stone cold?

[TheBlackPaladin]

Was that a subtle way to say that Goku was dead and therefore, his body was stone cold.

That scene was never directly explained and is the subject of speculation and interpretation. Having said that, I think that's probably what it meant. Apparently so does Masako Nozawa.

[quote="Interview from "GT Perfect File 2""]QUESTION: Were there any scenes in the final episode [of GT] that left an impression?

NOZAWA: The scene where, after Goku finishes fighting, he rides on Shenlong, and says, 'Shenlong’s back sure is warm…'. That’s because riding on Shenlong means that Goku’s going to leave this world, and go to the world of the gods…. I was glad that they didn’t write it plainly that he died, though…. I feel that Goku probably went to Shenlong’s place, and is training again.[/quote]

[successoroffate]

Was that a subtle way to say that Goku was dead and therefore, his body was stone cold.

That scene was never directly explained and is the subject of speculation and interpretation. Having said that, I think that's probably what it meant. Apparently so does Masako Nozawa.

[quote="Interview from "GT Perfect File 2""]QUESTION: Were there any scenes in the final episode [of GT] that left an impression?

NOZAWA: The scene where, after Goku finishes fighting, he rides on Shenlong, and says, 'Shenlong’s back sure is warm…'. That’s because riding on Shenlong means that Goku’s going to leave this world, and go to the world of the gods…. I was glad that they didn’t write it plainly that he died, though…. I feel that Goku probably went to Shenlong’s place, and is training again.

[/quote]

Yeah, I just read that interview. I never thought of that explanation for temperature remark.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I never took it that way. I just saw it as a casual remark made by Goku.
I also thought that Masako Nozawa just mentioned that line to specify the scene, not because there was anything special with the line itself.

It'd be a nice touch though. I've never settled on an opinion regarding whether Goku was dead or not at that point. Right now, I like to think that he was.

[successoroffate]

I never took it that way. I just saw it as a casual remark made by Goku.
I also thought that Masako Nozawa just mentioned that line to specify the scene, not because there was anything special with the line itself.

It'd be a nice touch though. I've never settled on an opinion regarding whether Goku was dead or not at that point. Right now, I like to think that he was.

Yeah, I agree. And I have seen that scene many times. It is very touching. He probably was dead all along but the question remains from which point? Before of After the Genkidama..

[GTX]

Was that a subtle way to say that Goku was dead and therefore, his body was stone cold?

No he was not dead.
Goku united with dragonball and shenron
Probably the fact that goku can purify the berserk dragonball by eating it he was chosen by shenron to protect it.
And Goku's wish to keep training forever and look for new challenge and adventure was his most important point to decide to follow shenron
Probably also because it was fitted to the dragonball theme and poster where goku's riding shenron.

[Cipher]

I never took it that way. I just saw it as a casual remark made by Goku.
I also thought that Masako Nozawa just mentioned that line to specify the scene, not because there was anything special with the line itself.

It'd be a nice touch though. I've never settled on an opinion regarding whether Goku was dead or not at that point. Right now, I like to think that he was.

Yeah, I agree. And I have seen that scene many times. It is very touching. He probably was dead all along but the question remains from which point? Before of After the Genkidama..

There's a hell of a lot indicating he's dead before the Genki Dama, meaning he's killed (or should have been, minus Shen-Long-related strangeness) by Yi Xing-Long's blast.

[successoroffate]

I never took it that way. I just saw it as a casual remark made by Goku.
I also thought that Masako Nozawa just mentioned that line to specify the scene, not because there was anything special with the line itself.

It'd be a nice touch though. I've never settled on an opinion regarding whether Goku was dead or not at that point. Right now, I like to think that he was.

Yeah, I agree. And I have seen that scene many times. It is very touching. He probably was dead all along but the question remains from which point? Before of After the Genkidama..

There's a hell of a lot indicating he's dead before the Genki Dama, meaning he's killed (or should have been, minus Shen-Long-related strangeness) by Yi Xing-Long's blast.

Yeah, that's what I believe. When you see him laying down on the ground/hole asking for the energy for the Genkidama with the Blue Background and all, that's very convincing evidence to support the theory that he was dead at that point.

[Cipher]

Yeah, that's what I believe. When you see him laying down on the ground/hole asking for the energy for the Genkidama with the Blue Background and all, that's very convincing evidence to support the theory that he was dead at that point.

No one can sense him either; he takes no damage from Yi Xing-Long's attacks upon rising up with the Genki Dama and even says, "I can't die until I've defeated you!" as a response to the dragon questioning why his attacks aren't working. Immediately upon killing the dragon, he falls to the ground, Pan pointedly is unable to wake him, and he doesn't sit up again until Shen-Long does the classic eye-glow normally reserved for granting wishes.

All of which there are other explanations for, of course, but coupled with the dialogue throughout episode 64, I think it's strongly implied he's "killed" by that blast and allowed to remain long enough to defeat Yi Xing-Long. (Which presumably Shen-Long has some part in arranging.)

His stopping that blast is also a big, big climactic moment in the fight.

[successoroffate]

Was that a subtle way to say that Goku was dead and therefore, his body was stone cold?

No he was not dead.
Goku united with dragonball and shenron
Probably the fact that goku can purify the berserk dragonball by eating it he was chosen by shenron to protect it.
And Goku's wish to keep training forever and look for new challenge and adventure was his most important point to decide to follow shenron
Probably also because it was fitted to the dragonball theme and poster where goku's riding shenron.

I believe he died and then became one with Shenlong. But there's plenty of evidence that suggest that he actually died.

For example: Goku's Gi after the battle with Omega. This one is a headscratcher.

There's no explanation as to why there's a set of Goku's Gi laying on the ground when you just saw him leaving wearing one.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Was that a subtle way to say that Goku was dead and therefore, his body was stone cold?

No he was not dead.
Goku united with dragonball and shenron
Probably the fact that goku can purify the berserk dragonball by eating it he was chosen by shenron to protect it.
And Goku's wish to keep training forever and look for new challenge and adventure was his most important point to decide to follow shenron
Probably also because it was fitted to the dragonball theme and poster where goku's riding shenron.

This would be genius if true. But I wonder how Shenron would heed Goku's request to find stronger opponents.

[emperior]

Wow that makes Dragon Ball GT's ending a lot better (it was already very good in my opinion)

So Goku actually died following Yi Xing-Long blast, in fact I could never explain how he was still alive. And the blasts he tanked while using the Genkidama would have killed him, but he was already dead by that point so he was somewhat "magic".
Also I never though about the fact is Gi is retrieved by Pan, that definitely means Goku died there.

[successoroffate]

Wow that makes Dragon Ball GT's ending a lot better (it was already very good in my opinion)

So Goku actually died following Yi Xing-Long blast, in fact I could never explain how he was still alive. And the blasts he tanked while using the Genkidama would have killed him, but he was already dead by that point so he was somewhat "magic".
Also I never though about the fact is Gi is retrieved by Pan, that definitely means Goku died there.

He basically received the same attack twice, and the second one was really a direct hit, he didn't even flinch. That's where I started to think that something smelled fishy. The way I see it, Goku and Shenlong got into an agreement. When Goku died, he ended up with Shenlong, where Goku asked Shenlong to allow him to go back to earth (maybe as immortal or something) and use the Genkidama to defeat Omega. All he needed was to be brought back to defeat Omega and save the earth and that's it. After that, he's done. Shenlong agreed to grant Goku's wish but with one condition, No more Dragon Balls for 100 years and you and I are to become one and the same (and train at the same time if he liked).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So Goku actually died following Yi Xing-Long blast, in fact I could never explain how he was still alive. And the blasts he tanked while using the Genkidama would have killed him, but he was already dead by that point so he was somewhat "magic".

I think he made a deal with Shenlong. The way they talked when Goku woke up later sounded like they had a conversation before, something we never saw.

[GTX]

Wow that makes Dragon Ball GT's ending a lot better (it was already very good in my opinion)

So Goku actually died following Yi Xing-Long blast, in fact I could never explain how he was still alive. And the blasts he tanked while using the Genkidama would have killed him, but he was already dead by that point so he was somewhat "magic".
Also I never though about the fact is Gi is retrieved by Pan, that definitely means Goku died there.

He basically received the same attack twice, and the second one was really a direct hit, he didn't even flinch. That's where I started to think that something smelled fishy. The way I see it, Goku and Shenlong got into an agreement. When Goku died, he ended up with Shenlong, where Goku asked Shenlong to allow him to go back to earth (maybe as immortal or something) and use the Genkidama to defeat Omega. All he needed was to be brought back to defeat Omega and save the earth and that's it. After that, he's done. Shenlong agreed to grant Goku's wish but with one condition, No more Dragon Balls for 100 years and you and I are to become one and the same (and train at the same time if he liked).

100 years? You know that GT''s special hero legacy was contradicting GT series. The easiest one was contradicting both super 17 and dragon sagas.
I think they're not dead because halo exist. Eventhough in GT they're not showing halo most of the cases they did show halo when it's mattered, like when they're showing Piccolo losing his halo when thrown into hell by his own will to help goku. So they must have recognized goku's dead because the halo. In fact they didn't. So Goku's still alive.

[successoroffate]

Wow that makes Dragon Ball GT's ending a lot better (it was already very good in my opinion)

So Goku actually died following Yi Xing-Long blast, in fact I could never explain how he was still alive. And the blasts he tanked while using the Genkidama would have killed him, but he was already dead by that point so he was somewhat "magic".
Also I never though about the fact is Gi is retrieved by Pan, that definitely means Goku died there.

He basically received the same attack twice, and the second one was really a direct hit, he didn't even flinch. That's where I started to think that something smelled fishy. The way I see it, Goku and Shenlong got into an agreement. When Goku died, he ended up with Shenlong, where Goku asked Shenlong to allow him to go back to earth (maybe as immortal or something) and use the Genkidama to defeat Omega. All he needed was to be brought back to defeat Omega and save the earth and that's it. After that, he's done. Shenlong agreed to grant Goku's wish but with one condition, No more Dragon Balls for 100 years and you and I are to become one and the same (and train at the same time if he liked).

100 years? You know that GT''s special hero legacy was contradicting GT series. The easiest one was contradicting both super 17 and dragon sagas.
I think they're not dead because halo exist. Eventhough in GT they're not showing halo most of the cases they did show halo when it's mattered, like when they're showing Piccolo losing his halo when thrown into hell by his own will to help goku. So they must have recognized goku's dead because the halo. In fact they didn't. So Goku's still alive.

How does 100 years contradict Super 17 and the Shadow Dragon Sagas?
During episode 64 of GT, Vegeta, Piccolo and Muten Roshi asked Goku if he's dead (They say: "Goku..Are you..."? He didn't respond to Roshi nor Piccolo. And for Vegeta he gave him a "Shhh" Sign to keep him from talking.

[GTX]

How does 100 years contradict Super 17 and the Shadow Dragon Sagas?
During episode 64 of GT, Vegeta, Piccolo and Muten Roshi asked Goku if he's dead (They say: "Goku..Are you..."? He didn't respond to Roshi nor Piccolo. And for Vegeta he gave him a "Shhh" Sign to keep him from talking

You know legacy hero stated peace 100 years after baby arc eventhough dragon saga and super 17 happened. Legacy hero was probably made before GT series was greenlited for 24 more episode extension.

[VegettoEX]

You know legacy hero stated peace 100 years after baby arc eventhough dragon saga and super 17 happened. Legacy hero was probably made before GT series was greenlited for 24 more episode extension.

There is no concrete evidence to suggest any particular wrap-up spot for DBGT, be it after the Baby arc or an extension through what we saw. It's likely that we'll never know the true plan, if there ever was one.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku is likely a walking spirit at the end of GT. Goku return to Earth to put back the Dragon Balls since they are finally restore with no negative energy inside of them. Goku most likely absorb the Dragon Balls to help purify them which is why it took 100 years for them to restore back to normal. Goku saw Goku Jr and decide to give him the 4th Star Dragon Ball.

[GTX]

You know legacy hero stated peace 100 years after baby arc eventhough dragon saga and super 17 happened. Legacy hero was probably made before GT series was greenlited for 24 more episode extension.

There is no concrete evidence to suggest any particular wrap-up spot for DBGT, be it after the Baby arc or an extension through what we saw. It's likely that we'll never know the true plan, if there ever was one.

It's special and contradicting so i don't care enough.
I just stated where it's stated in many sites in the internet about GT's extensions including the 'DBwikia'.


It cannot be happened because after baby saga is not peace but another universe threatening attack.
He cannot be dead too because if remember correctly that halo is visible to anyone in DB.
So they must have pointed/known that goku's being dead at that arc