Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?

[Low Tone G]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

Sir, I do like that... Super Goku is too one-dimensional... My Goku is something more than this battle-junkie...

[Boo Machine]

Actually, no one mentioned sealing Piccolo after he lost to Goku. Kami was going to outright murdered Piccolo.

And Toei did hero Goku too, especially in the movies.

Granted it might be a mistranslation on my part, but the manga I have right now has Krillin yelling at Goku for not sealing up piccolo right after piccolo flew off.

Toei for sure did make Goku more heroic, but didn't the dub turn up the hero dial quite a bit? Or am I imagining things?

So Krillin didn't mention this until after Piccolo left? Why didn't he mention this before when Kami was going to kill Piccolo? By that time, sealing Piccolo wasn't an option since he can reflect it. I don't think sealing would be on Goku's mind since Goku saw the Evil Containment Wave fail against Piccolo.

Goku was practically the messiah in some of the movies. Funi only took it to Superman levels during the Frieza Saga and then dialed it down afterward. Although he was still portrayed as more heroic overall.

The moment where Krillin yells at Goku is such a small panel that it seemed like just an after thought. Goku doesn't even acknowledge him and just keep watching Piccolo fly away. So yeah, sealing him was far away from Gokus mind.

You might be right. One of the few Superman moments I can think of from the top of my head is the Ally to good speech.

[Faisal Shourov]

Why do people compare Goku to Superman? Superman is never obsessed with fighting. Goku has nothing to do with Superman except both can fly and fight villains. And there are thousands of other superheroes who can do that as well

[TheMikado]

Why do people compare Goku to Superman? Superman is never obsessed with fighting. Goku has nothing to do with Superman except both can fly and fight villains. And there are thousands of other superheroes who can do that as well

Because Toriyama literally made his back story the same as Supermans

[Colonel Silver]

I'm hoping this universe destruction rule is some sleight to make fighters battle at their absolute best. With their home universes at stake these characters will fight with everything they've got and with little regard for their opponent's safety or their own. Someone like Hit will have no problem instantly murdering someone with his assassin tech for instance. But then everyone who died fighting gets wished back, so it's okay. Kinda. Still a little screwed up.

If the destruction rule turns out to be real though. yes, Goku is to be blamed, he had ample warning about bothering Zeno. After all this is done Goku just might become one of my most hated characters of all time . Its hard to imagine the hero of the story could be so selfish. Even Vegeta in that very same episode showed us that fighting isn't always the most important thing, fucking Vegeta of all people. I hope someone gives Goku a nice smack in the face and a little heart to heart about how fucking stupid this all was . I mean what an ass, his death count might be the highest in all of fiction after this. Zamasu might have been right after all.

[HeroR]

I'm hoping this universe destruction rule is some sleight to make fighters battle at their absolute best. With their home universes at stake these characters will fight with everything they've got and with little regard for their opponent's safety or their own. Someone like Hit will have no problem instantly murdering someone with his assassin tech for instance. But then everyone who died fighting gets wished back, so it's okay. Kinda. Still a little screwed up.

If the destruction rule turns out to be real though. yes, Goku is to be blamed, he had ample warning about bothering Zeno. After all this is done Goku just might become one of my most hated characters of all time . Its hard to imagine the hero of the story could be so selfish. Even Vegeta in that very same episode showed us that fighting isn't always the most important thing, fucking Vegeta of all people. I hope someone gives Goku a nice smack in the face and a little heart to heart about how fucking stupid this all was . I mean what an ass, his death count might be the highest in all of fiction after this. Zamasu might have been right after all.

You mean higher than Zen'o who has already destroyed six other universes in the past or Future Zen'o who nuked an entire timeline? And Goku isn't even the one killing anyone. You can't just pretend Zen'o is there or he's some kind of force that doesn't count.

[Colonel Silver]

I'm hoping this universe destruction rule is some sleight to make fighters battle at their absolute best. With their home universes at stake these characters will fight with everything they've got and with little regard for their opponent's safety or their own. Someone like Hit will have no problem instantly murdering someone with his assassin tech for instance. But then everyone who died fighting gets wished back, so it's okay. Kinda. Still a little screwed up.

If the destruction rule turns out to be real though. yes, Goku is to be blamed, he had ample warning about bothering Zeno. After all this is done Goku just might become one of my most hated characters of all time . Its hard to imagine the hero of the story could be so selfish. Even Vegeta in that very same episode showed us that fighting isn't always the most important thing, fucking Vegeta of all people. I hope someone gives Goku a nice smack in the face and a little heart to heart about how fucking stupid this all was . I mean what an ass, his death count might be the highest in all of fiction after this. Zamasu might have been right after all.

You mean higher than Zen'o who has already destroyed six other universes in the past or Future Zen'o who nuked an entire timeline? And Goku isn't even the one killing anyone. You can't just pretend Zen'o is there or he's some kind of force that doesn't count.

His kill count of innocent people will be the highest of any hero is what I should've said. And yes, Goku, will be at fault for the death of those people. His stupid selfish decision is what lead to these events.

[HeroR]

[quote="Colonel Silver"

His kill count of innocent people will be the highest of any hero is what I should've said. And yes, Goku, will be at fault for the death of those people. His stupid selfish decision is what lead to these events.[/quote]

Zen'o is the one at fault since he's the one actually doing the killing. Especially since Zen'o was using planet for balls long before Goku even got there.

[Mewzard]

A better question would be "how the hell would he infer that Zeno would impose such a drastic rule just from Beerus' and Whis' vague warnings?"

Because Goku has been told Zeno destroyed six entire universes on a whim? Because he destroyed Future Trunks' version of the Universe because he didn't like what it became? Really good hints that he doesn't exactly put a lot of value into universes.

[Gog]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

Sir, I do like that... Super Goku is too one-dimensional... My Goku is something more than this battle-junkie...

*Implying that Goku was anything but a selfish, battle junkie.*

[HeroR]

A better question would be "how the hell would he infer that Zeno would impose such a drastic rule just from Beerus' and Whis' vague warnings?"

Because Goku has been told Zeno destroyed six entire universes on a whim? Because he destroyed Future Trunks' version of the Universe because he didn't like what it became? Really good hints that he doesn't exactly put a lot of value into universes.

He destroyed Trunks' timeline because Zamasu infected it like a plague. It wasn't even overkill since Zamasu was spreading into other timelines. And how is not putting a lot of value into universes equal, loser get their universe destroyed. The more logical conclusion would be Zen'o having death matches, not nuking the losing universe.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

Sir, I do like that... Super Goku is too one-dimensional... My Goku is something more than this battle-junkie...

*Implying that Goku was anything but a selfish, battle junkie.*

It was always part of him but he also had sense. He could have fought Cell to the death for example but instead let Gohan take over.

[Kanassa]

Sir, I do like that... Super Goku is too one-dimensional... My Goku is something more than this battle-junkie...

*Implying that Goku was anything but a selfish, battle junkie.*

It was always part of him but he also had sense. He could have fought Cell to the death for example but instead let Gohan take over.

And then gave Cell a sensu bean instead of giving Gohan an advantage by leaving Cell damaged from their fight.

[DBZAOTA482]

And then gave Cell a sensu bean instead of giving Gohan an advantage by leaving Cell damaged from their fight.

And then Cell goes full power and kills Gohan. Good thing he didn't listen to your pussy boy advice.

[Doctor.]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

It's boring.

[DBZAOTA482]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

People being contrarians for the sake of it by saying Goku wasn't meant to be a hero despite that Goku even in the original manga was repeatedly shown as benevolent and heroic.

[TheMikado]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

People being contrarians for the sake of it by saying Goku wasn't meant to be a hero despite that Goku even in the original manga was repeatedly shown as benevolent and heroic.

Pretty much, he had amoral streaks but and wasn't perfect but not to the extent we are trying to retroactively portray him now

[Gog]

And then gave Cell a sensu bean instead of giving Gohan an advantage by leaving Cell damaged from their fight.

And then Cell goes full power and kills Gohan. Good thing he didn't listen to your pussy boy advice.

You mean what Cell did originally? and pussy boy advice? To what? Goku's brain dead decision? It would have been better if he had listened to this 'pussy boy advice'

[DBZAOTA482]

And then gave Cell a sensu bean instead of giving Gohan an advantage by leaving Cell damaged from their fight.

And then Cell goes full power and kills Gohan. Good thing he didn't listen to your pussy boy advice.

You mean what Cell did originally? and pussy boy advice? To what? Goku's brain dead decision? It would have been better if he had listened to this 'pussy boy advice'

If you want Gohan dead then yes it's better.

[Saturnine]

Can I ask why fans don't like Goku being a hero anyway?

I don't know about others, but for me it's mainly

a) due to the disloyalty of such a portrayal to the source material
b) probably hatred by proxy of sorts, because I hate GT and Goku in GT was as heroic as they can get