Toyotaro tracing

[The gr]

Toyotaro or toyble is known for being toriyama successor and the guy who emulate toriyama artstyle perfectly but he is also known to be a tracer.So in this thread post panel from his work like DBS ,AF etc that are similar to the original dragon Ball manga [spoiler][/spoiler] [spoiler][/spoiler] [spoiler][/spoiler] and if your done posting images that are traced. I want your throughs on this

[Ajay]

'Trace' is the wrong word. Toyotaro openly admits that he sits there with Toriyama's manga in hand and pulls references.

[kinisking]

'Trace' is the wrong word. Toyotaro openly admits that he sits there with Toriyama's manga in hand and pulls references.

Somehow I find it hard to think he would've admitted that if people didn't call him out on it.

[Yomi]

Doesn't look traced, looks referenced. If you wanna see traced, look at DB Fan-Animations. This is definitely not line for line, or even pose for pose. I can see enough differences to rule out tracing.

[The gr]

I changed the title I'm sorry for misleading everyone.But in my opinion these reference are cool I love them but sometimes they are annoying like frost final form pose and dabura vs trunks even through that fight was good.

[Draconic]

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There are a ton, but I'm too lazy to look for every single one. Those were just off the top of my head..

[ChronoTwigger]

As an (ex) comic artist i swear this is not even so cheating. I had a "book of characters" from my editor that i could use to COPY typical faces and poses from serie creators.
A book of hands. A book of scenery. A book of girls.

Mind that coming with a new pose require a LOT degree of skill, at least to do it in reasonable time. A lot. Some artist use even 3d posers to find balance into perspectives. That Cell pose will occupy me at least 6 hours from concept to refining.
Tori can do it on the fly.
You can't compare Toyotaro to someone with decennial experience in weekly scheduling. He's forced to use references.

[IKevinX]

That's to be expected. And also falls in line with some of his comments during interviews, IRC he said Whis and Beerus being the hardest to draw. Which is probably due to not having enough manga references.

[The gr]

Please use this title for the thread. but I'm going to post a pic from the DB heroes manga [spoiler][/spoiler] and now I'm going to post a pic from the DBS manga [spoiler][/spoiler]

[Yomi]

He's not a very inspired artist >.> When it comes to visualizing something.
Creativity may not be his strong point.

[TheMikado]

As an (ex) comic artist i swear this is not even so cheating. I had a "book of characters" from my editor that i could use to COPY typical faces and poses from serie creators.
A book of hands. A book of scenery. A book of girls.

Mind that coming with a new pose require a LOT degree of skill, at least to do it in reasonable time. A lot. Some artist use even 3d posers to find balance into perspectives. That Cell pose will occupy me at least 6 hours from concept to refining.
Tori can do it on the fly.
You can't compare Toyotaro to someone with decennial experience in weekly scheduling. He's forced to use references.

I glad to hear the opinion of someone who is actually in the industry. That being said, Toyotaro is said to be the successor to Toriyama and it looks like he takes that title very seriously. Emulating someone else's art style is not an easy task. That being said I think we have seen enough unique panels to know the capacity is there, maybe once the fandom allows him to get a bit out of Toriyamas shadow he can expand. As stands now we get a revolving round of complaints about how his style isn't Toriyama enough or conversely it's TOO Toriyama so it looks like he's not being to win either way for at least a good while.

[Draconic]

He's not a very inspired artist >.> When it comes to visualizing something.
Creativity may not be his strong point.

There's plenty of creative stuff he does too. Trunks using the sword sheat to block Black, Frost using his tail to sweep Goku's legs are what's coming to me right now. It's just that he probably doesn't have much time to really come up with stuff and he isn't Toriyama to be able to make shit up as he goes like second nature. As ChronoTwigger said, he's still inexperienced.
Not to mention his manga is not treated like the main product, so he knows how to dose his effort.

The problem with him is not that he doesn't have creative stuff, but that it's few and far between and he relies a lot on those "repeated punches" effect instead of actual fighting coreography.
But again, that's easier to do than come up with new interesting ways to construct scenes and it would be wasted time to try and do it, because the manga is made to sell the anime, so it just needs to be decent. He's clearly also putting his own touch on it, so it's not just a safe robotic comic, but he also knows not to deliver more than it's asked of him for nothing. And it helped him, since he did say eventually the anime will also take cues from him. That's when he will step up his game.

[The gr]

He's not a very inspired artist >.> When it comes to visualizing something.
Creativity may not be his strong point.

There's plenty of creative stuff he does too. Trunks using the sword sheat to block Black, Frost using his tail to sweep Goku's legs are what's coming to me right now. It's just that he probably doesn't have much time to really come up with stuff and he isn't Toriyama to be able to make shit up as he goes like second nature. As ChronoTwigger said, he's still inexperienced.
Not to mention his manga is not treated like the main product, so he knows how to dose his effort.

The problem with him is not that he doesn't have creative stuff, but that it's few and far between and he relies a lot on those "repeated punches" effect instead of actual fighting coreography.
But again, that's easier to do than come up with new interesting ways to construct scenes and it would be wasted time to try and do it, because the manga is made to sell the anime, so it just needs to be decent. He's clearly also putting his own touch on it, so it's not just a safe robotic comic, but he also knows not to deliver more than it's asked of him for nothing. And it helped him, since he did say eventually the anime will also take cues from him. That's when he will step up his game.

But what make you think that toyotaro will step up his game in the upcoming arc. the manga may not be a souless cash grab but the fact the anime has been stepping up their A game since the U6 arc and there taking the new arc seriously.I'm not saying the manga is bad but I'm just saying the manga don't deliver that much in comparison to the anime like for example compare the u6 tournament the anime to the manga.

[sintzu]

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There are a ton, but I'm too lazy to look for every single one. Those were just off the top of my head..

The Vegeta kick is somewhat Iconic but it wasn't in the anime was it ? does anyone know why they didn't use it ?

[The gr]

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There are a ton, but I'm too lazy to look for every single one. Those were just off the top of my head..

The Vegeta kick is somewhat Iconic but it wasn't in the anime was it ? does anyone know why they didn't use it ?

I guess the anime don't like replicating things through the anime did gave us the awesome final flash fan service in ep 36

[sintzu]

I guess the anime don't like replicating things through the anime did gave us the awesome final flash fan service in ep 36

I was talking about Z, during his fight with Cell in the anime he didn't use that kick.

[mawilex]

That being said, Toyotaro is said to be the successor to Toriyama and it looks like he takes that title very seriously.

Said... who, exactly? "A successor to Toriyama when it comes to drawing / creating future Dragon Ball-related content" is a far more fitting title for him, because Toriyama isn't just a guy who draws Dragon Ball panels, he's a unique artist, a very creative character-designer and has a writing style that's proper to him, among other things. Calling the guy "successor to Toriyama" that easily just because he's somewhat good at emulating his artstyle is too big of a title for him and is in my eyes both insulting to Toriyama and insulting to Toyotaro, because it's implying that you can become a Toriyama by just drawing Dragon Ball characters riding motorcyles or dinosaurs, and also reduces Toyotaro to just a lifeless robot who's constantly wearing another person's mask (If that makes sense...), when he actually is not. He's a big fan of Toriyama, but he also has a different style than him, whether it be art-wise or writing-wise, and being different is not being bad, it's being unique, it's having a personality, it's refreshing. Giving Toyotaro that title is not giving him credit for the unique qualities he has.

If people want to call him that, why would he be more deserving for that title than Nakatsuru who drew the Dr. Slump "sequel", New Cashman, made lots of promotional pictures for the Dragon Quest series, all of that while emulating Toriyama's artstyle far better than anyone else? And while we're at it, why don't we call Naho Ooishi and DragonGarrowLee that as well? That's just stupid. Toriyama is Toriyama. Toyotaro is Toyble. No one is or will ever be a successor to anyone, everyone is and will forever be their own unique person.

Sorry for going a little off-topic.

[Draconic]

But what make you think that toyotaro will step up his game in the upcoming arc. the manga may not be a souless cash grab but the fact the anime has been stepping up their A game since the U6 arc and there taking the new arc seriously.I'm not saying the manga is bad but I'm just saying the manga don't deliver that much in comparison to the anime like for example compare the u6 tournament the anime to the manga.

I know exactly what you mean, but like I said, the big money maker is the anime, so that needs to be on it's A game everytime. The manga just needs to be good enough to raise interest in the anime. It's nothing but complementing it, instead of being a true viable alternative to the story, no matter what it's fanboys think. Everybody at Toei and even Toyotaro is treating it as such.
The manga plays everything safe, doesn't try to do anything new (it's big differences are Goku using God and Black using the old Super Saiyan) and therefore it doesn't fall into the anime's trap where it's much more bombastic and exciting, but also prone to hate of those changes. For a promo manga that's fine.

If by some reason the manga would become the main product, or when Super ends Toyotaro is allowed to write a sequel that is getting promotion trough the anime and it keeps up being so bland, then there would be problem. But as it is, everything's fine.

I also think Toyotaro is a talented artist, so if he were to help with the anime he would certainly put more effort into his work than he is for a side project not a lot of people really care about. He's a very shitty writer, but since Toriyama is writing the story that doesn't really matter one way of the other.

[TheMikado]

That being said, Toyotaro is said to be the successor to Toriyama and it looks like he takes that title very seriously.

Said... who, exactly? "A successor to Toriyama when it comes to drawing / creating future Dragon Ball-related content" is a far more fitting title for him, because Toriyama isn't just a guy who draws Dragon Ball panels, he's a unique artist, a very creative character-designer and has a writing style that's proper to him, among other things. Calling the guy "successor to Toriyama" that easily just because he's somewhat good at emulating his artstyle is too big of a title for him and is in my eyes both insulting to Toriyama and insulting to Toyotaro, because it's implying that you can become a Toriyama by just drawing Dragon Ball characters riding motorcyles or dinosaurs, and also reduces Toyotaro to just a lifeless robot who's constantly wearing another person's mask (If that makes sense...), when he actually is not. He's a big fan of Toriyama, but he also has a different style than him, whether it be art-wise or writing-wise, and being different is not being bad, it's being unique, it's having a personality, it's refreshing. Giving Toyotaro that title is not giving him credit for the unique qualities he has.

If people want to call him that, why would he be more deserving for that title than Nakatsuru who drew the Dr. Slump "sequel", New Cashman, made lots of promotional pictures for the Dragon Quest series, all of that while emulating Toriyama's artstyle far better than anyone else? And while we're at it, why don't we call Naho Ooishi and DragonGarrowLee that as well? That's just stupid. Toriyama is Toriyama. Toyotaro is Toyble. No one is or will ever be a successor to anyone, everyone is and will forever be their own unique person.

Sorry for going a little off-topic.

Says who? Toriyama. I imagine he would know who's "worthy" more than any of us.

[FoolsGil]

Yeah it's tracing. But that's not what this topic is about, right? this discussion is to ask if Toyotaro is plagiarizing Toriyama, correct?