Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 81 - Official Discussion Thread

[Krillin1994]

Seeing Jaco/anything off of planet Cereal was a moment of fresh air from just seeing the same 8 characters for a year now, especially when 2 of the 4 bad guys are now just window dressing, one is generic evil boss again now (after being so promising), and the main physical threat is "anything you can do I can do better" after having Granolah filling that role for the first part of the arc.

I really was so hoping that the Heeters wish wasn't just a copy paste of Granolah's. how long was it in the story between facing off against Goku and Vegeta after first making his wish also? As Gas was originally framed as physically strong, but beaten by a weaker Bardock implying lacking technique - (I know Goku is saying this to him with instant transmission), but the impression the story gave is that the gap between Bardock and Gas was something wider than the gap of Granolah and Gas or Goku and Gas. So its hard to feel the threat when we know weaker people have bested him. Especially when we all know Goku's technqiue would vastly outclass Bardock's

[Gt91]

About Goku using instant teleport, where could he go? To Broly/Frieza or Beerus? Maybe Frieza could have a cameo.

[mute_proxy]

About Goku using instant teleport, where could he go? To Broly/Frieza or Beerus? Maybe Frieza could have a cameo.

If I recall correctly, Beerus' planet is too far away for him to get there. Maybe he's not going for a fighter but some location that could immobilize him

[OLKv3]

About Goku using instant teleport, where could he go? To Broly/Frieza or Beerus? Maybe Frieza could have a cameo.

If I recall correctly, Beerus' planet is too far away for him to get there. Maybe he's not going for a fighter but some location that could immobilize him

It might not be too far from the planet he's on. He can only teleport to familiar kis, so his choices are limited

[Goku9001]

This chapter was definitely on the short side especially after revisiting a few of the chapters in the Tournament of Power and the Moro arc in which there was a lot going on. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed this chapter and really loved the twist with Goku teleporting him and Gas to a nearby planet. It's definitely a breath of fresh air after the series of fights back and forth in which characters just constantly power-up. I really hope this opens up the possibility of him revisiting Broly and Frieza considering they are deeply connected to the overarching plot of the arc. This arc really needs something different to keep the arc going.

[Koitsukai]

Thematically, Freeza would be the go-to guy now. He is the one that connects everybody, and at least one member of the three parties that hate him, are willing to kill him.

Gas trying to kill Freeza and Goku standing in the way, not letting him do it, would be kinda hilarous, though.

Broly..umm,. it would be a surprise, nothing even remotely has touched his case, so I don't know why or how he'd be included.

[Xeogran]

How is nobody considering the Earth? I remember one of the earlier V-Jump scans saying something like "How will Goku and the Earth Warriors deal with the upcoming conflict". And to this day we haven't seen any of the other Z-Fighters being involved, so maybe now's the time?

Spoiler:

Imagine if they teleported to the Penguin Village

[Krillin1994]

Goku and Gas teleporting off world really does awful things for the story since Vegeta would've been able to sense where Goku teleported to, really after Monaito helps heal Granolah, he can heal Vegeta.

Vegeta can just take down all the Heeters or let Granolah take down all the Heeters since they're chumps power wise, then Vegeta knows IT so should be able to travel to Goku/Gas as he should still be close enough to sense the strongest being in the universe. or at least teleport to Jaco and then be in range of that teleport to Gas and 2v1 him.

But obviously Vegeta won't use IT because grr stupid Kakarot.

[KentMan]

Goku and Gas teleporting off world really does awful things for the story since Vegeta would've been able to sense where Goku teleported to, really after Monaito helps heal Granolah, he can heal Vegeta.

Vegeta can just take down all the Heeters or let Granolah take down all the Heeters since they're chumps power wise, then Vegeta knows IT so should be able to travel to Goku/Gas as he should still be close enough to sense the strongest being in the universe. or at least teleport to Jaco and then be in range of that teleport to Gas and 2v1 him.

But obviously Vegeta won't use IT because grr stupid Kakarot.

That last sentence made me laugh so much. It’s true he won’t use it but if I remember correctly he said he ain’t gonna be able to used it again. Well Vegeta and Granolah have their hands full now that they’re both injured. It’s starting to look like Goku is gonna deal with Gas by himself unless he gets to Brolys planet or wherever he’s at.

[Alruneia]

How is nobody considering the Earth? I remember one of the earlier V-Jump scans saying something like "How will Goku and the Earth Warriors deal with the upcoming conflict". And to this day we haven't seen any of the other Z-Fighters being involved, so maybe now's the time?

Honestly, yeah, you're right, it's totally possible that all this teleporting business is how the Z Fighters are going to get involved like it was stated they would. I'm not a huge fan of that idea, to be honest. It would feel kinda artificial, like a kind of "They're on Earth now so that I can use the rest of my action figures" plot point. I hope it's not going to go that way, but I can easily see it happening. I'm not sure how the Z Fighters could be made very relevant when the battle is Goku vs Gas and Vegeta and the others are still on Planet Cereal, though.

[Krillin1994]

How is nobody considering the Earth? I remember one of the earlier V-Jump scans saying something like "How will Goku and the Earth Warriors deal with the upcoming conflict". And to this day we haven't seen any of the other Z-Fighters being involved, so maybe now's the time?

Honestly, yeah, you're right, it's totally possible that all this teleporting business is how the Z Fighters are going to get involved like it was stated they would. I'm not a huge fan of that idea, to be honest. It would feel kinda artificial, like a kind of "They're on Earth now so that I can use the rest of my action figures" plot point. I hope it's not going to go that way, but I can easily see it happening. I'm not sure how the Z Fighters could be made very relevant when the battle is Goku vs Gas and Vegeta and the others are still on Planet Cereal, though.

It would be rogue, espeically since the other Z fighters are usually used before Goku arrives to fight a baddy. Only way this would work is if it is something that has already been premediated by the Heeters and part of a larger plan that they know Goku's weakness is his loved ones on Earth.

[Mr Baggins]

I'm not a huge fan of that idea, to be honest. It would feel kinda artificial, like a kind of "They're on Earth now so that I can use the rest of my action figures" plot point. I hope it's not going to go that way, but I can easily see it happening.

Agreed. That happened in the previous arc, and it was super artificial and forced then too.

But I'm not sure I see Toyotaro making the same move twice. I'm inclined to think Freeza is the most plausible candidate, given his significance to the plot and that I can totally see Goku spilling the beans on the Heeters' plan to overthrow him.

[KentMan]

But I'm not sure I see Toyotaro making the same move twice. I'm inclined to think Freeza is the most plausible candidate, given his significance to the plot and that I can totally see Goku spilling the beans on the Heeters' plan to overthrow him.

Huh? Why would Frieza help Goku? I’m guessing he’s either going to Broly or the other planets. Btw does anyone know what happened to Oatmeal?

[LightBing]

About Goku using instant teleport, where could he go? To Broly/Frieza or Beerus? Maybe Frieza could have a cameo.

Broly or Freeza would be interesting. Surely it would spice up the battle.

[TKA]

You know the arc sucks when people are pining for characters who haven't been in the manga in years, at this point, to return in the arc's climax.

[Gt91]

But I'm not sure I see Toyotaro making the same move twice. I'm inclined to think Freeza is the most plausible candidate, given his significance to the plot and that I can totally see Goku spilling the beans on the Heeters' plan to overthrow him.

Huh? Why would Frieza help Goku? I’m guessing he’s either going to Broly or the other planets. Btw does anyone know what happened to Oatmeal?

Because the Heeters are against his empire. They are planning to destroy him, so he would have a lot of reasons to defeat Gas and his comrades.

[Koitsukai]

Granny has shunkanido, too, just in case Geets isn't interested in using the technique.

If they do land at Freeza's, Granola might have his long-awaited shot, while Goku and Gas get busy. If Monaito can heal him, and also if they are still in shape to take care of the Heatas. This isn't necessarily an obstacle, Jiren was exhausted after fighting Goku and still had enough left to tank attacks from Goku, Vegeta and Freeza. Battered Vegeta and a sorta healed Granny should have no trouble with Elecc's gang... in theory.

[KentMan]

Because the Heeters are against his empire. They are planning to destroy him, so he would have a lot of reasons to defeat Gas and his comrades.

Does he know they’re against his empire? I highly doubt Goku would go to him for help. Plus Goku would want to fight Gas on his own.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Unless Freeza has been doing some serious training, he would just get dragged through the mud and killed in this fight, and would probably try to escape as fast as possible. I'd rather see Meerus join in.

[kemuri07]

Yeah I think Broly would be a misstep in an arc already filled with them. He has nothing really to do with, well, anything that's going on, and it'd likely serve solely as fanservice for people who want a dream match up of Broly and Goku teaming up to fight Gas.

Aside from that: I don't really know about Frieza. Common sense would dictate that, since Freezer is the supposed common denominator among most of the actors here, that he would show up. But the longer this storyline goes on, the longer I start to really doubt that Frieza will actually have any input in this arc. I mean, there's always next arc, but yeah I think this is it. I really think they're trying to hang the emotional core on fucking Bardock.

Unbelievable.