Difference between Viz Manga and the Japanese Original?

[Phenomenol]

Is the Viz manga like the Dub version of the american cartoon?

Is The Dub dialogue of Dragnonball Z is different form the dialogue of the japanese original manga?

[Thanos6]

It's MOSTLY a lot more faithful to the original Japanese than the dub ever dreamed of. Mostly.

[Vegard Aune]

I believe it's pretty accurate in terms of dialouge, but there are some cases in the later volumes where they've censored it a bit. (Guns becoming laser-guns, Mr. Satan becoming H e r c u l e, #16's "Hell Blast" becoming "Inferno Blast" and so on.)

But it's not BASED on the dub or anything, it just borrows a few names from it. But I wouldn't buy those volumes now, as they will be doing a Kanzenban-ish rerelease pretty soon. Unless that one is censored too, I'd suggest you try getting those instead.

[Bomber Greek]

Or you can simply buy the manga on eBay in a lot for really cheap. I got volumes 1-16 for 37 bucks, and 13 bucks shipping and handling.

[Kaboom]

There are a very few minor edits to the manga, most of which are perfectly logical and understandable, and the amount of which pale in comparison to the dub.

If you're looking to start collecting Viz's DB/Z manga, I'd wait until they start releasing it as part of this "Viz Big" thing they announced.

[Tsukento]

The Dragon Ball portion was by far quite accurate. There were a few edits here and there involving black people (their lips were blackened to avoid the black face controversies). There's an edition of one of the books where Kuririn raises up Bulma's shirt for Roshi to nosebleed on the Invisible Man. Originally, Bulma had nothing underneath. The reprints out right now have her wearing a bra. Other than that, there's nothing much else of Dragon Ball unless you wanna also count Lunch no longer having a knife held up to her neck when the Red Ribbon Army invaded Roshi's island.

Though Dragon Ball Z has a few oddities (like Piccolo's "Light of Death" in the first book, or claims that Mr. Satan was a professional wrestler) and a little more censorship. Black faces are removed again (mostly Mr. Popo), #17 no longer shoots someone with the small gun he had in his pocket (he instead punches them). A cover page involving everyone flipping off Cell was edited so that their fists were held awkwardly at him. They also refer to the Artificial Humans as Androids despite having an explanation they #17 and #18 are actually cyborgs. You also have the weird changes such as Djinn Boo and Vegerot. DBZ was primarily translated solidly up until the end of Freeza.

[Vegard Aune]

You also have the weird changes such as Djinn Boo and Vegerot.

Damnit, why does everyone complain about Vegerot? It makes perfect sense. Djinn Boo on the other hand... He has an "M" on his belt. All of Babidi's other slaves have "M"s on their foreheads. What would that stand for, when the "Majin"-title isn't there anymore?

[SaiyamanMS]

Damnit, why does everyone complain about Vegerot? It makes perfect sense.

Well, I will admit that it does make sense, but it kinda reminds me of rotting vegetables... Which isn't a favourable image to associate with the universe's most powerful entity.

[Kaboom]

Damnit, why does everyone complain about Vegerot? It makes perfect sense.

Well, I will admit that it does make sense, but it kinda reminds me of rotting vegetables... Which isn't a favourable image to associate with the universe's most powerful entity.

I have yet to hear anyone complaining about "Caca-rot," though.

[NeptuneKai]

I always just saw Vegerot as one of those typical Viz name changes, such as calling the Saibamen "Cultivars".

For the record censoring the Dragonball manga is actually getting me fairly mad. Why bother putting a bra on Bulma, does it really matter if we see her boobs? Were people complaining? I used to look at the manga knowing it was the uncensored cheap alternative to buying Dragonball DVDs but now that they are ruining the manga by making stupid changes such as editing guns, curse words and evil "boobs" I guess I'm screwed. (I own the original and for the most part uncensored manga but they are getting in pretty bad shape.)

[Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece]

Hopefully the Kanzenban-ish release will have no censoring, like it was MEANT TO BE SEEN.

Just that phrase gives me nightmares of a giant orange kanzenban with half of each panel missing and brightened/contrasted panels that have a blue tint.

[Phenomenol]

Okay I like the suggestions.

Is the Viz manga credible and faithful in dialogue to the japanese original?

For example does what does Gotenks say after he flew around the world in both versions?

[Luffy]

Think he said it in both, but when the picture is him flying around the world many times i wonder how they would go around that.

[TripleRach]

All of Babidi's other slaves have "M"s on their foreheads. What would that stand for, when the "Majin"-title isn't there anymore?

Well, as much as I think "Djinn" is stupid, I don't think the M was ever intended to stand for "Majin" anyway.

Even though most people like to claim that 魔人 (Majin) simply means "demon person" or "evil person," 魔 (Ma) also can refer to "magic." (Even in the west, magic was also traditionally thought of as "the work of the devil," hence things like women suspected of witchcraft being burned at the stake, so the connection shouldn't be that hard to understand.)

Since magic is obviously quite prominent in the Buu arc, that's the definition I've always felt was intended from the Japanese versions. Hell, Bibidi and Babidi are called 魔導師 (Madoushi), which refers to wizards/mages/warlocks/sorcerers. But if people broke up that word the same way they break up Majin, they'd get "master of controlling demons," which is definitely incorrect.

But anyway, the point of this rambling is that if the Ma in Majin is referring to "magic," then it doesn't make sense for anyone but Buu to ever be referred to as such, since the word would mean something along the lines of "magical being," "magical humanoid," or "being of a magical race." And Vegeta and the others don't get turned into anything like that (or demons, for that matter); they just become Babidi's slaves.

...Which is what leads me to believe that the M most likely stands for Madoushi Babidi (or Bibidi, in Buu's case).

[Olivier Hague]

as much as I think "Djinn" is stupid

(it is a valid translation of "majin"!)

I don't think the M was ever intended to stand for "Majin" anyway.

And I'm not even sure it's supposed to be the letter "M", so...

[Conan the SSJ]

(it is a valid translation of "majin"!)

And your point is? She pointed out that's how she thinks of it, now you wanna nag on her opinion, why? She's well aware of it being optional as a translation for "Majin", as are some others of us, but we still think of it as stupid. Viz could've just as easily stuck to Majin as FUNimation and every other company has, or merely called it "Demon Race" or something like that. As a translation, Djinn is an equivalent to a genie, but only Buu of the Majins can be compared to one. So should we think of Majin Vegeta or Yakon as genies? If anything, Djinn was translated with the wrong context in mind by Viz. But whatever.

[TripleRach]

as much as I think "Djinn" is stupid

(it is a valid translation of "majin"!)

I'm not denying that. But just because "majin" can be translated as "djinn" doesn't mean it should be translated as "djinn." The character and his origin don't match the term at all.

I don't think the M was ever intended to stand for "Majin" anyway.

And I'm not even sure it's supposed to be the letter "M", so...

I thought about that, too, but an obvious counter would be bringing up something like "KAME HOUSE."

[Olivier Hague]

(it is a valid translation of "majin"!)

And your point is?

Spelled out above?

She pointed out that's how she thinks of it, now you wanna nag on her opinion, why?

"Nag on her opinion"? What?

She's well aware of it being optional as a translation for "Majin", as are some others of us, but we still think of it as stupid.

Well, I still don't think of it as stupid.
But apparently, your saying you think it's stupid is all right, but my saying I don't think so deserves a scolding...

As a translation, Djinn is an equivalent to a genie, but only Buu of the Majins can be compared to one.

Considering he's the only character that's referred to as being a "majin" in the series, I fail to see the problem...

The character and his origin don't match the term at all.

Huh? I'd think they do, on the contrary.
Check the clothes. Check how he makes his first appearance. Check the shape of the thing Spopobitch used to steal Gohan's energy.
It all screams "Aladdin" to me.

And I'm not even sure it's supposed to be the letter "M", so...

I thought about that, too, but an obvious counter would be bringing up something like "KAME HOUSE."

Er... That's quite the extreme counter-argument... We're talking about one symbol, here. ^^;
This isn't the letter "M", for example.

[Conan the SSJ]

"Nag on her opinion"? What?

Yes, "nag on her opinion". You felt it was necessary to point out something to Rachel she's well aware of when all she was doing was stating an opinion, therefore you were essentially talking down to her from my point of view. If she blatantly said Djinn doesn't belong there for fact, then debating her would be welcome. But telling her something she's well aware of in a situation that doesn't call for it is pretty unnecessary IMHO.

But apparently, your saying you think it's stupid is all right, but my saying I don't think so deserves a scolding...

No, don't try and twist this to attempt to make me look like the bad guy. As I just pointed out, the reason I may've appeared harsh was because you made a reply to Rachel that really wasn't necessary considering the context of her post.

"Considering he's the only character that's referred to as being a "majin" in the series, I fail to see the problem...

Vegeta's Majin form, while not considered as such directly in the manga, is referred to as "Majin" in the video games; both Japanese version and NA/International produced. Official source?

[Olivier Hague]

Yes, "nag on her opinion". You felt it was necessary to point out something to Rachel she's well aware of when all she was doing was stating an opinion, therefore you were essentially talking down to her from my point of view.

Well, not from mine, then. Heh.

If she blatantly said Djinn doesn't belong there for fact, then debating her would be welcome.

And you can't debate about opinions? Since when? When did that happen?

But telling her

We're on a forum, I wasn't necessarily saying that only to her...

something she's well aware of

Because, naturally, I knew that she was well aware of that. Of course. Just like I know what she had for breakfast this morning.
Come on, now...

in a situation that doesn't call for it is pretty unnecessary IMHO.

If not downright insulting! Which is why you stood up! For great justice!

Vegeta's Majin form, while not considered as such directly in the manga, is referred to as "Majin" in the video games; both Japanese version and NA/International produced.

That's fairly recent, and I would bet it's just an example of a fan-made appelation eventually finding its way into official products.
I believe I had never seen Vegeta referred to as "Majin Vegeta" prior to the US run of "Dragon Ball Z", really...