IS GT Trunks Super Saiyan 2?

Nikkolas · Post by **Nikkolas** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:14 am

Just a question I've asked other places... I saw this topic has already been made but I have a vid and pic. It might make no difference bt oh well. I just want to know what you all think.

Here's a vid of Trunks in GT....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFMjscO5Ejs

Compare his hair in the vid with this pic of him as an SSJ in GT.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7084 ... 974cr0.png

Since the hair and electricity are the only ways to tell SSJ1 and 2 apart.

What do you all think?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:25 am

Don't even try to work it out. There's one scene where Goku powers up, his hair shifts to SSJ2-style, but he gets no electricity.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:28 am

This argument has been brought up before.

I believe the conclusion was something along the lines of.

1. It's GT.

2. Toei have always been inconsistent when it comes to SSJ and lightning bolts, in the manga they're a definitive trait, not so in the anime.

3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the GT Perfect File books say nothing about Trunks achieving SSJ2.

4. Budokai 3 also got it wrong by enabling Trunks to become SSJ2, which is why this always seems to come up.

So, yes do with that what you will.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:29 am

Actually; the only time when electric is around the aura in GT; is when Vegeta powered-up to SSJ2 and everyone else was about to attack Shenron after they powered-up as well. That's the only time I noticed it. But; Trunks is only a MSSJ, nothing more.

Nikkolas · Post by **Nikkolas** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:35 am

Rocketman wrote:Don't even try to work it out. There's one scene where Goku powers up, his hair shifts to SSJ2-style, but he gets no electricity.

I never could really tell with Goku between SSJ2 and 1 except for the electricity.
Same for Adult Gohan.

@Cap Awesome: I've heard #3 as well bt can't varify...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:10 am

Nikkolas wrote:I never could really tell with Goku between SSJ2 and 1 except for the electricity.

I've got pics:

Goku SSJ1

Goku SSJ2

GT Goku SSJ1

GT Goku SSJ2

Here's the scene where GT Goku goes SSJ2 (about 35 seconds in): http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tx62PSZUx2Y

No electricity.

Nikkolas · Post by **Nikkolas** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:17 am

Ya know, I remember that scene pretty well and I never thought he went SSJ2...As I said, Goku's difference between SSJ1 and 2 is really hard to dstinguish...at least for me.
A few more of his bangs stand straight up but that looks like the only real difference.
Why i like Teen Gohan. REALLY easy to tell the difference.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:02 am

If their own book says he doesn't turn SSJ2, then I think you can pretty safely go off of that.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:13 am

VegettoEX wrote:If their own book says he doesn't turn SSJ2, then I think you can pretty safely go off of that.

To be completely fair, that chart doesn't go to the end of GT. Note how only Goku is listed for SSJ4 (that's from the first Perfect Files, right?).

Shin Moonwalker · Post by **Shin Moonwalker** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:44 pm

There's also this moment :

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:45 pm

Trunks is not Super Saiya-Jin 2. GT is just full of plot holes and stupid animation, even though some GT episodes were animated beautifully.

Nikkolas · Post by **Nikkolas** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:13 pm

VegettoEX wrote:

If their own book says he doesn't turn SSJ2, then I think you can pretty safely go off of that.

Any quick translations for those of us who can't read Japanese?

Post by **TripleRach** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:32 pm

SSJ1 = Gokuu, Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, Future Trunks, Trunks, Gotenks, Vegetto

SSJ1 Stage 2 = Gokuu, Future Trunks, Vegeta

SSJ1 Stage 3 = Gokuu, Future Trunks

SSJ2 = Gokuu, Gohan, "Demon Prince" Vegeta, Gotenks

SSJ3 = Gokuu, Gotenks

SSJ4 = Gokuu

Post by **Herms** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:35 pm

Nikkolas wrote:Any quick translations for those of us who can't read Japanese?

Here we go; notes in [ ] marks:

Super Saiyan Classification Chart

Super Saiyan 1
Goku
Gohan
Goten
Vegeta
Future Trunks
Trunks
Gotenks
Vegetto

Super Saiyan 1 Second Grade
Goku
Future Trunks
Vegeta

Super Saiyan 1 Third Grade
Goku
Future Trunks

Super Saiyan 2
Goku
Gohan
Devil Prince Vegeta [Majin Vegeta]
Gotenks

Super Saiyan 3
Goku
Gotenks

Super Saiyan 4
Goku

[text at bottom] The only individuals* who can transform are Goku, Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, and Trunks .

*[tantai; hard to translate, but basically means that they're not counting fusions and alternate time-line versions as seperate people]

[Pan:] Eehh! This is how it is?

edit: Oh for pete's sake...I gotta start typing faster.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:35 pm

Here's an older thread with other opinions etc, hope it's some use

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:37 pm

Why is normal Vegeta not counted as an SSJ2?

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:38 pm

EDIT: Hmmm, while trying to translate, up to 3 people replied already

Nevermind

Nikkolas · Post by **Nikkolas** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:42 pm

Rocketman wrote:Why is normal Vegeta not counted as an SSJ2?

Same for SS4.
And did Gotenks ever go SS2? I remember them going from SS1 to 3.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:48 pm

Nikkolas wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Why is normal Vegeta not counted as an SSJ2?
Same for SS4.
And did Gotenks ever go SS2? I remember them going from SS1 to 3.

My guess is that this chart is from the first GT Perfect File book, which only covered GT up to the end of the Bebi arc. That's why there's no mention of Vegeta or Gogeta as SSJ4. As for why regular, non-Majin Vegeta isn't there...beats me.

With Gotenks and SSJ2, the same question came up a while back and somebody posted a manga scan that seems to show Gotenks as SSJ2 during his transformation to SSJ3. I'll try and find it.
edit: Found it; this was originally posted by Tyro.

Tyro wrote:

Terra-jin wrote:EDIT: Hmmm, while trying to translate, up to 3 people replied already

Nevermind

Don't feel too bad; I doubt the same thing would have happened if this wasn't the Daizenshuu EX forums.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:48 pm

I just always assumed the implication there was that in being able to achieve SSJ 3, you would logically HAVE to be able to use SSJ 2; it's just that there was no point in the fight against Buu....well, that's just my opinion. ^^

Also, one note about Trunks and SSJ 2: there are, I think, four separate 'bios' of Trunks spread throughout the 2 GT Perfect Files; in the 'Encyclopedia' section of the first one it specifically mentions 'he is capable of becoming Gotenks through fusion' (or something, I'd need to look again); I'd imagine if he was able to turn SSJ 2, which would mark a new development in the character, they'd specifically mention that also, but I could be wrong....if anyone would like these translated I'll get to it.

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