Could King Piccolo become good?

[flashback0180]

You know a dude is more evil than hell spawn Satan on a bad Monday, When someone like goku himself wants to murder him.

[Hitiro]

I never interpreted it that way. I interpreted it more like states. Otherwise, West City would be a province.

The way Piccolo Daimao talks he makes it sounds as if West City is the province. He says "Now which province will it be? Province 29! The City of the West!"

[rereboy]

I never interpreted it that way. I interpreted it more like states. Otherwise, West City would be a province.

The way Piccolo Daimao talks he makes it sound as if West City is the province.

Then why would it be called Province X instead of just West City?

[Hitiro]

Then why would it be called Province X instead of just West City?

Ask Toriyama? Maybe they were assigned numbers to make it easier? It doesn't change the fact he literally says province 29 the city of the west. And Bulma's all like "West City?! That's where my parents live!"

[rereboy]

Then why would it be called Province X instead of just West City?

Ask Toriyama? Maybe they were assigned numbers to make it easier? It doesn't change the fact he literally says province 29 the city of the west. And Bulma's all like "West City?! That's where my parents live!"

To me that's like drawing a paper saying "The State of New York", and Piccolo saying, "the state of New York... New York City..." and Bulma replying "New York City? That's where my parents live!". Substitute the names for any other state or country and its capital and it works for anything. But whatever.

[Hitiro]

To me that's like drawing a paper saying "The State of New York", and Piccolo saying, "the state of New York... New York City..." and Bulma replying "New York City? That's where my parents live!". Substitute the names for any other state or country and its capital and it works for anything. But whatever.

I'd think that two if it weren't for the fact that he says that the luckiest of the provinces would last 43 years. If he was just going to destroy a single city in one province each year then a lot of provinces would have longer than 43 years due to repeat pulling's of the same province, etc.

[rereboy]

To me that's like drawing a paper saying "The State of New York", and Piccolo saying, "the state of New York... New York City..." and Bulma replying "New York City? That's where my parents live!". Substitute the names for any other state or country and its capital and it works for anything. But whatever.

I'd think that two if it weren't for the fact that he says that the luckiest of the provinces would last 43 years. If he was just going to destroy a single city in one province each year then a lot of provinces would have longer than 43 years due to repeat pullings of the same province, etc.

Er... that's not how I interpreted it. He will still destroy the whole province and everything in it, all its cities. He only mentions West City because its emblematic of that province (and to inform the reader than West City is in that province and have Bulma react to it), not because he was just going to destroy that city.

Hence my example of "the state of New York... New York City". It would be the whole state being destroyed, but its emblematic city is mentioned because its emblematic of the state.

[Hitiro]

Er... that's not how I interpreted it. He will still destroy the whole province and everything in it, all its cities. He only mentions West City because its emblematic of that province (and to inform the reader than West City is in that province and have Bulma react to it), not because he was just going to destroy that city.

Hence my example of "the state of New York... New York City". It would be the whole state being destroyed, but its emblematic city its mentioned because its emblematic of the state.

He could have easily made that point if he said something along the lines of "Province 29! I guess I'll start with the capital, West City!" Or he could have just said "Province 29!" and have Bulma react by saying "West City is province 29! My parents live there." Yet Piccolo Daimao goes out of his way to just say West City. And he never pertains to destroying anything else either.

[rereboy]

Yes, he could. But I don't believe that means that the city and the province and the same, especially if we consider the traditional definitions for the term province.

But, like I said, whatever. You can interpret it any way you like. To me it makes far more sense that the provinces aren't the same as cities, but something like regions instead, otherwise there would be no point in mentioning provinces at all. And Piccolo referring to West City after he selects the province doesn't really go against that because it makes sense as exposition to the reader and to have Bulma react to it, even though there are certainly other ways to do the dialog and have that exposition.

[Hitiro]

Yes, he could. But I don't believe that means that the city and the province and the same, especially if we consider the traditional definitions for the term province.

But, like I said, whatever. You can interpret it any way you like. To me it makes far more sense that the provinces aren't the same as cities, but something like regions instead, otherwise there would be no point in mentioning provinces at all. And Piccolo referring to West City after he selects the province doesn't really go against that because it makes sense as exposition to the reader and to have Bulma react to it, even though there are certainly other ways to do the dialog and have that exposition.

Perhaps a mistranslation then? Because if he is going to destroy the whole "province" it should be made more clear than what it is. The way it is worded suggests that West City is the province itself. If you were going to destroy the whole state of New York. You wouldn't just say New York City. You'd word it like "The state of New York... Guess I'll start with New York City."

[ZazamPow]

The Dragon Ball fanbase sure knows how to complicate things.

[TheUltimateVegito]

No, he's literally evil incarnated. He can't become good.

Vegeta says hi.

Well, King Piccolo was a full fledged demon while Vegeta, despite being pure evil, wasn't. I guess that counts for something.

[Kamiccolo9]

No, he's literally evil incarnated. He can't become good.

Vegeta says hi.

Well, King Piccolo was a full fledged demon while Vegeta, despite being pure evil, wasn't. I guess that counts for something.

Yeah, Vegeta was a crazed, genocidal dick, but he still had a more or less "normal" soul.

Daimao was literally made out of pure evil. I'd put him on the same level as Gray Buu and Pure Buu.

[FoolsGil]

There is nothing that could make King Piccolo good, because he was created by the expulsion of all the evil in Kami's soul. In a way, he is like Kid Buu: Pure Evil with no idea on what 'good' means

[Herms]

No, he's literally evil incarnated. He can't become good.

Vegeta says hi.

As already noted, the original Piccolo was "literally evil" in the sense of being literally made out of actual evil. As in, that amnesiac Namekian guy spat out all the evil that was inside him, and it turned into Piccolo. Because "evil" is a physical substance in DB, apparently. Meanwhile, Vegeta came into the world in the usual way. So, Super Saiyan Vegeta's bragging aside, he really isn't "pure evil", at least not in the same way.

Anyway...based on all that, it seems like the original Piccolo probably shouldn't be able to become good, but I guess we don't know for sure. It'd be funny if he got smaller and smaller the more moral he became. Or bigger and bigger the meaner he got. Actually, maybe that's what Piccolo's giant form is all about. And maybe that's why Piccolo Mach Two isn't as insanely tall as Mach One. Maybe.

[DBZAOTA482]

Well, King Piccolo was a full fledged demon while Vegeta, despite being pure evil, wasn't. I guess that counts for something.

I wouldn't call Vegeta pure evil since he did come around. Freeza was a being conscientiously chose to be pure evil, and he couldn't come around.