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[Fox666]

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[hleV]

Non-Kaio-ken Goku at 180,000?
Nail at 4,200? Typo? Really?
I don't know how official that is, but nothing there seems right. On the other hand, it's about movies (game?), so it's not supposed to be right, I guess. I completely disagree with 1 Kiri being 50,000 BP, though. They commented themselves about it not being totally right, I think (Google Translator FTL).

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I've seen the original color scans. As far as I'm concerned, they aren't giving combat powers to the characters in the actual movies. This is no different than some of the other game related combat powers found on Kanzentai, like:

DragonBall Z: Goku's Soaring Legend

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai: 115
Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai): 218
Piccolo (23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai): 325
Raditz: 1,200
Saibaiman: 3,000
Nappa: 7,000
Vegeta: 15,000

[Fox666]

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[funrush]

This one I know is legit. The other ones are extremely questionable for me.

[Fox666]

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[TheDevilsCorpse]

I do believe this was the place I originally saw the images in color: http://bbs.dragonballcn.com/forum.php?m ... 3D2&page=1 They've made some changes though, as the images are now blocked from those who aren't registered, so I don't know if they are even still there. Someone here originally linked to the site, so I'm assuming they are a member, maybe they'll stumble upon this thread and be able to help out...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

As far I can understand, according to Toei website, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is 10 times stronger than a Super Saiyan 4.

So, it's like SSJ4 Goku + SSJ4 Vegeta x 5 = SSJ4 Gogeta?

[Fox666]

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[Herms]

I've heard rumors about those Broli and Gogeta BPs for awhile, but didn't want to mention them until I'd found a source. The Slug scan mentions "Kaio-Ken x100", so I'm guessing that's why it was included. Looks like this is the work of Quller, the same guy who found the Coola Armored Squad scans for Kanzentai. I have to go now, but I'll take a closer look at this stuff later.

Supposedly all of these images I found in a chinese site have some information regarding battle powers, can someone tell me if they have any usefull information?

The first one’s the Daizenshuu 7 entry on Super Saiyan 2, which says Goku and Vegeta acquired the form through training. The Gotenks picture says Gotenks is several times as powerful as Goten/Trunks are on their own. The SSj4 Gogeta picture is from a Chinese translation of Perfect File Vol.2, and says Gogeta is several tens of times stronger than an individual SSj4. The King Cold picture says Cold is powerful but still somewhat inferior to Freeza. The Cell vs Paikuhan picture says Cell’s strength wasn’t any different in Hell.

As far I can understand, according to Toei website, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is 10 times stronger than a Super Saiyan 4.

It says the same thing as the PF Vol.2 image: SSj4 Gogeta is several tens of times stronger than an individual Super Saiyan 4; it's basically equivalent to saying "dozens of time stronger".

[JulieYBM]

Fascinating, espicially if these turn out to be real. Seeing the use of Dimps models sort of threw me through a loop for a minute, but it does seem like the sort of thing that we'd see in a magazine. Still, these were obviously created before we learned the multipliers for Super Saiyan 2 and 3.

[Kaboom]

Okay, everyone stand back, let the expert handle this.

Broly being at 1.4 billion is a pretty feasible level for him in Movie 8.

Coola, though... 470 million still seems pretty high. I know Goku did point out that he was stronger than Freeza, but almost four times stronger? Seems needlessly excessive. Anyhoo, let's say Goku would be around 600 million as a Super Saiyan to whoop him so easily. Multiply that by 8 for Super Saiyan 3, and... Huh. Something's not right here, with Mister Super Gogeta at "only" 2.5 billion.

Even if these were made before we had the new official multipliers for Super Saiyan 2 and 3, the number for Super Gogeta doesn't make much sense. There's not enough "room," per say, for a MUCH stronger Goku, while using a MUCH stronger form, to get beaten by Janemba, who in turn gets so easily annihilated by Gogeta. Even if power levels aren't one's forte, that much seems pretty obvious.

[JulieYBM]

Well, it wouldn't be the first time someone could argue that the official battle powers weren't as well-defined as we seen in the comic or on screen. Assuming these are without a doubt real, they are still official even if they're not the most fine-tuned. And I'm okay with that.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, it's always nice to be surprised with some official battle powers. But it's even nicer when they make a lick of sense. @__@

... Oh hey, how about for now we say that the 2.5 billion is Gogeta's base form? That'd work at least a little bit better.

[Gohaz]

See, that's why I strongly go by the idea that BP means absolutely nothing, never had any reason to care about that, all it matters to me is a fight and someone winning, you don't need to be stronger than your opponent to win a fight, all it takes is brains

[Herms]

The Gogeta/Broli/Coola scan is a section from V-Jump hyping the release of Dragon Ball Z 3/DBZ Budokai 3. Hence the focus on those characters, the movie characters who made their 3D fighting game debut in that game. It all looks pretty legit.

The battle powers are listed as "estimated battle powers". I'm guessing the logic behind them is that Broli is about ten times as strong as Super Saiyan Goku on Namek, while Coola is about four times as strong as Freeza was. Not sure precisely what if anything they used to come up with 2.5 billion for Gogeta.

The kiri scan is also from V-Jump, in a Q&A section where questions are answered by a "DB Professor". The first person wants to know what happened to Lunch. The Professor says she's traveling around the world looking for Tenshinhan; the brief year-end comic where Lunch briefly appears is mentioned. The second question is the one about how much a kiri would be in terms of battle power. The answer is that Super Saiyan Goku's battle power is around 150 million. Divide that by 3,000 (his kiri measurement), and you get 1 kiri equaling 50,000 battle power. The third question is about what happened to Nappa's hair, in light of Vegeta's comment about a pure Saiyan's hair never changing. Was he just always bald? The Professor says he must have been.

So yeah, the logic behind the kiri thing seems a little lacking: it assumes Boo-era Super Saiyan Goku is equal to what he was on Namek, and that battle power and kiri have a simple correlation (as opposed to, say, being like Celsius and Fahrenheit).

[JulieYBM]

The Gogeta/Broli/Coola scan is a section from V-Jump hyping the release of Dragon Ball Z 3/DBZ Budokai 3. Hence the focus on those characters, the movie characters who made their 3D fighting game debut in that game. It all looks pretty legit.

The battle powers are listed as "estimated battle powers". I'm guessing the logic behind them is that Broli is about ten times as strong as Super Saiyan Goku on Namek, while Coola is about four times as strong as Freeza was. Not sure precisely what if anything they used to come up with 2.5 billion for Gogeta.

Kind of how the GT Perfect Files say "maybe this happened!" or however they treat ideas about the history of the Saiyans?

[FNF]

Oh look! More 'official' information/battle powers which don't make any sense.



Gotenks is only several times stronger than Goten or Trunks? That basically means that they would have been worth while just turning SSjin and fighting Buu as that

I don't even want to get into the rest of it

[Rocketman]

Yeah, it's always nice to be surprised with some official battle powers. But it's even nicer when they make a lick of sense. @__@

... Oh hey, how about for now we say that the 2.5 billion is Gogeta's base form? That'd work at least a little bit better. :lol:

Look on the bright side - official proof that Broly isn't equal to Gogeta.