Fusion Dance multiplier?

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Fusion Dance multiplier?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Ok, I've heard that the Fusion Dance is either several times the sum or dozens of times the sum of the fusees. Which is more accurate?
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Re: Fusion Dance multiplier?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:54 pm

What ever the plot feels like :lol: . Just kidding.

I think it's dozens. I always thought it was B^2 power plus the difference between A and B.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:16 pm

I'm looking for an official source.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:19 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm looking for an official source.
O excuse me then. . .

I remember the sources saying Dozens and several. So take either or, I guess....
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:26 pm

I kinda want several. My minimalist list has Goten and Trunks BARELY above C-18 if it's around dozens. With several, they are at least twice as strong.
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Re: Fusion Dance multiplier?

Post by Herms » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:54 pm

The anime guide DBZ Son Goku Densetsu says Gotenks has "many times" the power of Goten/Trunks on their own.

The SEG: Story Guide describes Fusion as giving birth to a warrior that has "multiplied" the two's power together.

GT Perfect File Vol.2 says SSj4 Gogeta "perhaps" has "many tens of times" the power of a single Super Saiyan 4.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:03 pm

Thanks Herms!
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:06 pm

Herms wrote:The anime guide DBZ Son Goku Densetsu says Gotenks has "many times" the power of Goten/Trunks on their own.

The SEG: Story Guide describes Fusion as giving birth to a warrior that has "multiplied" the two's power together.

GT Perfect File Vol.2 says SSj4 Gogeta "perhaps" has "many tens of times" the power of a single Super Saiyan 4.
Wasn't there one that had the several tens of times stronger for Gotenks as well?
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Post by Herms » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:52 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Wasn't there one that had the several tens of times stronger for Gotenks as well?
I don't think so. People probably just conflated the Gotenks and Gogeta statements.
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Post by hleV » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:53 am

SEG: Story Guide (it's manga-focused, right?) has Fusion Dance multiplying the fusees' powers? :shock:
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:23 am

hleV wrote:SEG: Story Guide (it's manga-focused, right?) has Fusion Dance multiplying the fusees' powers? :shock:
I don't think they mean AxB.

BTW, not to create another topic, but what is also stated for the Potara?
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Re: Fusion Dance multiplier?

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:08 am

I personally believe dance fusion is roughly 10 times one of the kids power levels (at base). Like lets say Goten alone was 10,000,000, base Gotenks is 100,000,000. Or I've seen some people bring up the sum of both kids x 10.

I've read occasionally on youtube that it is the same multiplier as going SSJ1 (x50) but I think that's just overkill. Any higher than a 10 to 20 times boost I think would be too much. On my power level list, I try my very best to not put SSJ3 Gotenks that much higher than Goku... maybe 1.5x higher at greatest. Also consider Ultimate Gohan needs to be stronger than Gotenks too.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:39 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:I personally believe dance fusion is roughly 10 times one of the kids power levels (at base). Like lets say Goten alone was 10,000,000, base Gotenks is 100,000,000. Or I've seen some people bring up the sum of both kids x 10.

I've read occasionally on youtube that it is the same multiplier as going SSJ1 (x50) but I think that's just overkill. Any higher than a 10 to 20 times boost I think would be too much. On my power level list, I try my very best to not put SSJ3 Gotenks that much higher than Goku... maybe 1.5x higher at greatest. Also consider Ultimate Gohan needs to be stronger than Gotenks too.
SS Gotenks was stated to be stronger than Fat Buu, so he kind of has to be far stronger than Goku.

I have at (A + B) x 6.5 roughly, or B x 13. Then again, I use different SS multipliers for fusions.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:51 am

SSJ3 Goku also was stronger than Fat Buu, he admits it later when he and Vegeta fight Kid Buu. that's why I think there doesn't need to be a very large gap between Gotenks and Goku's power level.
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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:SSJ3 Goku also was stronger than Fat Buu, he admits it later when he and Vegeta fight Kid Buu. that's why I think there doesn't need to be a very large gap between Gotenks and Goku's power level.

...so? All that says is that both SS Gotenks and SS3 Goku are stronger. There should still be a multifold difference in their powers barring different multipliers.
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Re: Fusion Dance multiplier?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:20 am

Goku ASSUMED Gotenks would be stronger than Buu, it's never outright stated that Gotenks is superior to Fat Buu.
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