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The blog says that the Dragonball Super Start Guide has the following excerpt:
"The emergence of Beerus ! First character Z- fighters which can exceed the speed of light are met !"
Can anyone confirm either what that says or even how canon this is?
I think it was just a statement was just made for hyperbole. Just like how whenever there was a new villain introduced in the old DBZ movies, Toei would hype them up as "the strongest, fastest and most formidable foe yet" yadda, yadda, yadda.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I'll wait for the real translation. Even if this is true I ain't that surprised.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well he was able to fly to another planet without taking years.
I mean no one before Beerus was FTL I could believe. Beerus' feats in Super are enough to classify him really high as he and Champa can casually fly FTL and destroy entire planets in a single blow. Then there's the universe thing which doesn't make sense entirely.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Not surprised. As always until Herms or someone on Kanzenshuu confirms something, then it might as well be taken with a grain of salt til we get an answer.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Whenever it mentions anything about the speed of light or the ability to destroy certain celestial objects, you can be more than 99,99% sure that it's fake.
saunasolmu wrote:Whenever it mentions anything about the speed of light or the ability to destroy certain celestial objects, you can be more than 99,99% sure that it's fake.
Yep, though there are actually a few cases destruction wise where it's not made up and in a guidebook. No speed feats mentioned I think, but a couple DC feats have been mentioned in say the Daizenshuu.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
To top it off, the sentences that mention Beerus aren't even coherent Japanese. Instead of the relevant word for "first", it uses a term that means the first letter in a word. It was obviously done via Google translate.
Thanks. Felt a little fishy if a guide from the summer made such a comment without getting picked up until now. I try not to judge either way on authenticity until I double check here.
MisterGuyMan wrote:The blog says that the Dragonball Super Start Guide has the following excerpt:
"The emergence of Beerus ! First character Z- fighters which can exceed the speed of light are met !"
It's a product review for a vibrator:
"Before I married my current husband, I used this out of interest [when I saw it] at a love hotel. It felt sooo good, I had him use it on me every time we went to a love hotel. After 9 years of marriage, I was dissatisfied with our life as husband and wife, which had started to be just going through the motions, but of course I couldn't say that [to him]... [but then] I happened upon this by chance and quietly bought it. I use it in secret from my husband. BEERUS' ARRIVAL! THE FIRST LETTER OF THE FULFILLED Z-FIGHTERS WHO COULD EXCEED THE SPEED OF LIGHT! I can't come with my husband, but I do it right away with this." [not sure about the next part but it's something like] "You might take issue with the fact that you can't adjust the low and high settings, but 'high' is painful. I'm enjoying this nice and slow on 'low'."
Co-translator, Man-in-Japan, and Julian #1 at Kanzenshuu
最近、あんまし投稿してないねんけど、見てんで。いっつも見てる。
MisterGuyMan wrote:The blog says that the Dragonball Super Start Guide has the following excerpt:
"The emergence of Beerus ! First character Z- fighters which can exceed the speed of light are met !"
It's a product review for a vibrator:
"Before I married my current husband, I used this out of interest [when I saw it] at a love hotel. It felt sooo good, I had him use it on me every time we went to a love hotel. After 9 years of marriage, I was dissatisfied with our life as husband and wife, which had started to be just going through the motions, but of course I couldn't say that [to him]... [but then] I happened upon this by chance and quietly bought it. I use it in secret from my husband. BEERUS' ARRIVAL! THE FIRST LETTER OF THE FULFILLED Z-FIGHTERS WHO COULD EXCEED THE SPEED OF LIGHT! I can't come with my husband, but I do it right away with this." [not sure about the next part but it's something like] "You might take issue with the fact that you can't adjust the low and high settings, but 'high' is painful. I'm enjoying this nice and slow on 'low'."
OH MY GOD. I don't know which scenario is worse. Either this is just trolling or it was an honest mistake of copy-pasting the wrong things together.
MisterGuyMan wrote:The blog says that the Dragonball Super Start Guide has the following excerpt:
"The emergence of Beerus ! First character Z- fighters which can exceed the speed of light are met !"
It's a product review for a vibrator:
"Before I married my current husband, I used this out of interest [when I saw it] at a love hotel. It felt sooo good, I had him use it on me every time we went to a love hotel. After 9 years of marriage, I was dissatisfied with our life as husband and wife, which had started to be just going through the motions, but of course I couldn't say that [to him]... [but then] I happened upon this by chance and quietly bought it. I use it in secret from my husband. BEERUS' ARRIVAL! THE FIRST LETTER OF THE FULFILLED Z-FIGHTERS WHO COULD EXCEED THE SPEED OF LIGHT! I can't come with my husband, but I do it right away with this." [not sure about the next part but it's something like] "You might take issue with the fact that you can't adjust the low and high settings, but 'high' is painful. I'm enjoying this nice and slow on 'low'."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I'M DYING!
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
MisterGuyMan wrote:The blog says that the Dragonball Super Start Guide has the following excerpt:
"The emergence of Beerus ! First character Z- fighters which can exceed the speed of light are met !"
It's a product review for a vibrator:
"Before I married my current husband, I used this out of interest [when I saw it] at a love hotel. It felt sooo good, I had him use it on me every time we went to a love hotel. After 9 years of marriage, I was dissatisfied with our life as husband and wife, which had started to be just going through the motions, but of course I couldn't say that [to him]... [but then] I happened upon this by chance and quietly bought it. I use it in secret from my husband. BEERUS' ARRIVAL! THE FIRST LETTER OF THE FULFILLED Z-FIGHTERS WHO COULD EXCEED THE SPEED OF LIGHT! I can't come with my husband, but I do it right away with this." [not sure about the next part but it's something like] "You might take issue with the fact that you can't adjust the low and high settings, but 'high' is painful. I'm enjoying this nice and slow on 'low'."
Wow... that's just sad. To go to that much effort just to downplay an anime series.
Lonewolf3002 (the google plus blog of whom is where this post was made) is a notorious Superman fanboy who always participates in the debates of Goku Vs Superman with the intent to lowball Goku. He once even said that the boulders that Goku pushed at the start of dragonball were made of pumice (but even if it was pumice the boulder was much heavier than 40 tons anyway). I am not surprised that either him or one of the other Superman fanboys populating his blog fabricated this "guidebook note".
To be honest, it's dissapointing to see someone use Google Translate and put it in between a vibrator review just to prove he's right. It's sad to see a person willing to do that much for such a trivial goal.
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