Kimitoshi Chioka is ruining Dragon Ball

[Nex Carnifex]

She's been the creative director for dragon ball anime since "Goku and his friends return!" OVA and that was lame and not badass like classic DBZ and it's been the same ever since. The tone has been lost, tension is a thing of the past, there's too much fillerish and childish comic relief that is nothing but cringe worthy and everything just lacks "testosterone" like the old DBZ stuff. She definitely isn't no Hiromu Arakawa.

Edit: nevermind it's a he, so it ain't a girl fuckin shit up its a bunch of wussy men go figure. We should try a girl instead actually lmao.

[MajinMan]

How many "ruined" threads do we need? This kind of stuff is getting completely overblown and out of hand. And it's not "badass" like Z? Why does everything need to be badass? Things don't need to be badass in order to be good.

[precita]

The 2008 special was great. It was a one-shot special and the first new "episode" in over a decade that reunited the cast and gave Goten/Trunks some focus. What is not to like about that?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

She's been the creative director for dragon ball anime since "Goku and his friends return!" OVA and that was lame and not badass like classic DBZ and it's been the same ever since. The tone has been lost, tension is a thing of the past, there's too much fillerish and childish comic relief that is nothing but cringe worthy and everything just lacks "testosterone" like the old DBZ stuff. She definitely isn't no Hiromu Arakawa.

Seems you're complaining that you want a man in charge because a woman has been making the series too childish and can't emulate the male directed version you enjoyed, correct?

The irony here, of course, being that Kimitoshi Chioka is a man...

[Vijay]

I would understand if it was woman director for shows like Inuyasha, Sket Dance heck even Fairy Tail.

DB & DBZ needs a "he"

And I'm not tryin to put down the whole "feminists angle" here

It just worries me, with Kai 2.0 Opening & Ending songs & now Super. The uncomfortable mix of female touches are evident right from the vocal, the feel & tone

Not sayin its bad. Just doesnt sit well with DragonBall's image it has preserved over the years.

I really think more than director, its the storyboarders who are responsible for the "make or break" situation.

Daisuke Nishio was DB & DBZ director. Did a great job

Then GT came, with different director & storyboarders. The series had a completely different feel

Try as it may, Kai couldnt emulate success as DBZ did, even with the "updated" cut they boasted on

It has a distinct "market" feel, instead of restoring/preserving the " soul" of DragonBall. Unlike Inuyasha Final Act, HXH 2011 & a bunch of others

Hell, every OVA & Specials we got (PTES, Yo! Son Goku, Bardock film etc) are freakin "unlike" DragonBall in every possible way. It just doesnt feel & look like it holds a candle to History of Trunks & Bardock Special

Super is no different imo

[Gyt Kaliba]

The irony here, of course, being that Kimitoshi Chioka is a man...

Laughing way harder at this retort than I should.

I'm also quirking an eyebrow at the specific mention of the JSAT special, cuz uh...I'm no expert on these things, but as far as I'm seeing on AnimeNewsNetwork's listing at least, Chioka wasn't even involved for that one. It's not listed on the special, nor is it listed for Chioka. This is all just coming off as another 'things are not the way I want them to be, thus things are ruined forever, and I must blame it on anything and everything but the fact that the franchise has always been this way' rant, only now you're desperately trying to blame one particular person who, for all their' ruining power', has only been involved in Dragon Ball twice before, and only once as the director.

[Gaffer Tape]

DB & DBZ needs a "he"

And I'm not tryin to put down the whole "feminists angle" here

It just worries me, with Kai 2.0 Opening & Ending songs & now Super. The uncomfortable mix of female touches are evident right from the vocal, the feel & tone

I... what? I don't even know how to respond to this other than to just say NO! I'm just going to put aside that this entire thread is based on a flawed premise since apparently this person IS a man. But as a person who often finds myself in occupations or interests outside of the prescribed box of generalized gender rigidity and having to defend and justify the insane idea that I can perform "feminine" tasks as well as a woman, I find it personally insulting for you to suggest that there is absolutely no way any woman could ever successfully institute Dragon Ball's "manly" attributes. It's that kind of mentality that has caused female writers (like D.C. Fontana and J.K. Rowling, just to name a couple) to purposely obscure their names just so people wouldn't automatically make judgments about their abilities to write stories for a male audience. Do generalizations exist for a reason? Sure. Is that apparent in how Dragon Ball's fanbase is predominantly male? Hey, why not. Might it be argued that it would be more likely a man could tap into whatever it is you assume DB needs? I might even be inclined to give you that. But to completely judge and dismiss individual people based on those generalizations? Well, hey, you might as well be saying that those minority female DB fans are just freaks of nature who can never really appreciate testosterone-driven DB like the men can.

In other words, if you want to judge the abilities of a person, base it around that person, not their genitals.

[coola]

Delete please

[successoroffate]

She's been the creative director for dragon ball anime since "Goku and his friends return!" OVA and that was lame and not badass like classic DBZ and it's been the same ever since. The tone has been lost, tension is a thing of the past, there's too much fillerish and childish comic relief that is nothing but cringe worthy and everything just lacks "testosterone" like the old DBZ stuff. She definitely isn't no Hiromu Arakawa.

Ahm, Short Answer? Dragon Ball is not ruined.

Long Answer: I wonder when is the forum stopping the trolls from posting? I mean, every week, we get a "Ruined Character" or "Ruined Dragon Ball" post.

"Lacks 'Testosterone'" Give me a break.

[TheBigBoy]

Word of advice....using the term "feminazi" is a great way to ensure your arguments will never be taken seriously.

[VegettoEX]

She's been the creative director for dragon ball anime since "Goku and his friends return!" OVA and that was lame and not badass like classic DBZ and it's been the same ever since. The tone has been lost, tension is a thing of the past, there's too much fillerish and childish comic relief that is nothing but cringe worthy and everything just lacks "testosterone" like the old DBZ stuff. She definitely isn't no Hiromu Arakawa.

DB & DBZ needs a "he"

Saying such stuff give fuel to people like Anita, let's not do that please

This is all gross, ill/mis-informed, you all are disgustingly out-of-line, and this does not represent what this community is about.

[coola]

Delete please

[B]

Isn't Aya Matsui a woman? (though, he/she wrote GT, so maybe that is not the best example...) Anyway, yes, gender biases are dumb. When Naho Ooishi is allowed do her thing, I smile.

[Black_Liger]

I do think db still needs badass moments, it always had them. I think it's a very common misconception that dbz needs to be all gritty and dark, and it's just as bad as thinking it can't be serious or badass.

DB had plently of badass moments, Dbz had plenty of badass moments.

Of course I'm not saying current db doesn't have badass moments.

Roshi Holding his own against frieza army is quite the feat, Vegeta pummeling Frieza too, Frieza transforming and killing of his army in one shot was badass. Db Super made it a point to show how badass was Beerus on the first arc.

[Basaku]

I'm for equality, not dominance of one option

Cause clearly we live in a world where females and minorities are dominant characters and creators in arts and entertainment industry?

[TripleRach]

It just worries me, with Kai 2.0 Opening & Ending songs & now Super. The uncomfortable mix of female touches are evident right from the vocal, the feel & tone

Not sayin its bad. Just doesnt sit well with DragonBall's image it has preserved over the years.

I really think more than director, its the storyboarders who are responsible for the "make or break" situation.

Daisuke Nishio was DB & DBZ director. Did a great job

Then GT came, with different director & storyboarders. The series had a completely different feel

Ignoring all the other issues here, there are a lot of things that don't even make sense in your complaints.

The first DB anime had a female vocalist in the ending theme for all 153 episodes and two movies. DBZ had a female vocalist ending for 199 episodes and one movie. Even some of Kageyama's songs heavily featured female vocalists, like the Bardock TV special's ending.

I don't know if you're talking about the international song or not, but Kai 2.0's Japanese opening was the last traditionally shounen anime style song that we've gotten, by the same guy who did the opening and first ending to Kai 1.0. Everything else has been general rock/pop songs, and mostly by male vocalists.

GT's initial primary staff were all veterans from DB and DBZ. The only exception was the new series composer (Tokunaga).

Isn't Aya Matsui a woman? (though, he/she wrote GT, so maybe that is not the best example...)

Yes, but to her credit, she was also responsible for the driving school episode that most people love.

[fadeddreams5]

The 2008 special was great. It was a one-shot special and the first new "episode" in over a decade that reunited the cast and gave Goten/Trunks some focus. What is not to like about that?

Tarble.

[Doctor.]

The 2008 special was great. It was a one-shot special and the first new "episode" in over a decade that reunited the cast and gave Goten/Trunks some focus. What is not to like about that?

Tarble.

Tarble is so insignificant that I can't take any criticism about him seriously.

[Hellspawn28]

Tarble was cool. I like that he was his own character then being another rehash. Most fan fics of Vegeta's brother end up being Radditz 2.0 and not something different. You can't really do evil Saiyans now without rehashing Radditz, Vegeta or Broli.

[Nex Carnifex]

I'm pretty sure there was some woman that Akira was saying how she knew all about dragon ball or something