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Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Nex Carnifex » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:09 am

Ok so Oozaru is some sort of special battle transformation and super saiyan is a mutation that allows them to raise their battle power, but why does super saiyan God even exist? It's achieved through such random means. A specific number of good hearted Saiyans join hands and presto? Why though?

Also the pure hearted ritual thing was just cheesy.
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:14 am

Because the Saiyans have a huge amount of potential in pulling out new forms out of their asses and so they figured maybe they'd create a new form by combining the power of the remaining Saiyans, which happened to be 6 and that was just the right amount of Saiyans required, because it just was.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Zephyr » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:14 am

It's a special ritual that transforms the righteous into the divine.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:33 am

Out of Universe reason is to sell merchandise. We haven't had a new SSj form since SSj4 and SSj4 was 16 years before BOG. They needed something new, fresh and relevant given that SSj4 is a thing in the past outside of the video games.
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Nex Carnifex » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:57 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Out of Universe reason is to sell merchandise. We haven't had a new SSj form since SSj4 and SSj4 was 16 years before BOG. They needed something new, fresh and relevant given that SSj4 is a thing in the past outside of the video games.
At least SS4 combined 2 pre-existing transformations owned by the Saiyans, Super Saiyan and Oozaru, to make a new ultimate transformation. Super Saiyan God is literally just a random ass pull that is brought forth through an absurd ritual with no significance or explanation to why it makes Saiyans gods.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:12 am

Why do Oozaru, SSJ1, SSJ2, or SSJ3 exist? Why do any transformations exist? They just do.
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Captain Strawberry » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:29 am

unexplained lore, though will try in my LN
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by successoroffate » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:14 am

Well, Vegeta didn't follow those "Random means" to achieve the God form as he did it on his own. So, it seems it can be done naturally by training.
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Nex Carnifex » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:48 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Why do Oozaru, SSJ1, SSJ2, or SSJ3 exist? Why do any transformations exist? They just do.
Because they are battle transformations but Super Saiyan God doesn't just raise your ki level it turns your ki into god ki and is created through a ritual. Why though why do Saiyans have such a thing in their DNA? Doesn't make sense without a good explanation.

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:53 am

If you need every single last thing explained to you, you're going to have a difficult time with the larger world of fiction. Sometimes things just are because they are. They came up with it, they executed on it, and there it is.

We also don't have an explanation for the precise magical properties of fusion vest creation, but them's the breaks.
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:16 pm

The one thing Super has done right is explain this. We see from Vegeta that he didn't need the ritual yet achieved it why? Because every Saiyan has a potential to achieve it. The ritual is just a temporary boost to that power, a taste of things to come, hence why there is a time limit, now Goku being a genius managed to sustain the power and make it his own essentially skipping a step. As for the hand holding and what not I don't think there needs to a reason it is just like that.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Nex Carnifex » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:52 pm

VegettoEX wrote:If you need every single last thing explained to you, you're going to have a difficult time with the larger world of fiction. Sometimes things just are because they are. They came up with it, they executed on it, and there it is.

We also don't have an explanation for the precise magical properties of fusion vest creation, but them's the breaks.
But why do Saiyans have so many damn different types of transformations. Oozaru, Super Saiyan, and now Super Saiyan God? It's mostly the ritual that throws me off, what makes the Saiyans so special that they can become gods by holding hands?

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:26 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:If you need every single last thing explained to you, you're going to have a difficult time with the larger world of fiction. Sometimes things just are because they are. They came up with it, they executed on it, and there it is.

We also don't have an explanation for the precise magical properties of fusion vest creation, but them's the breaks.
But why do Saiyans have so many damn different types of transformations. Oozaru, Super Saiyan, and now Super Saiyan God? It's mostly the ritual that throws me off, what makes the Saiyans so special that they can become gods by holding hands?
What makes Nameks so special that they can make dragonballs?
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Nex Carnifex » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:59 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Nex Carnifex wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:If you need every single last thing explained to you, you're going to have a difficult time with the larger world of fiction. Sometimes things just are because they are. They came up with it, they executed on it, and there it is.

We also don't have an explanation for the precise magical properties of fusion vest creation, but them's the breaks.
But why do Saiyans have so many damn different types of transformations. Oozaru, Super Saiyan, and now Super Saiyan God? It's mostly the ritual that throws me off, what makes the Saiyans so special that they can become gods by holding hands?
What makes Nameks so special that they can make dragonballs?
They are wizards and only some of them can. They are magic Saiyans are more primitive fighters.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Zephyr » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:34 pm

Why can't primitive fighters have some sort of lost access to magical/divine energy?

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Basaku » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:43 pm

Long explanations ain't mandatory, but if it's a short one it better be good, or seem like it's obvious, doesn't make you ask too many questions and in general 'flows' naturally.

SSJ doesn't need much explanation. Everyone has ki, SSJ is someone with lotsa lotsa ki. The visuals explain a lot by themselves - the power is so strong and hot the hair ignites like a star.

Oozaru - brings out Saiyans' primal genetic past, a well trained and 'calm' Oozaru results in hybrid SSJ4 form that mixes most useful aspects of Saiyan past, present blah blah. Once again the visuals do good job here, even if one doesn't like the design on its own. However, compared to SSJ1, this transformation is unnecesary complicated with Golden Oozaru form, without obvious requirements how exactly a calm Golden Oozaru makes a SSJ4 yet a calm Brown Oozaru doesn't.

SSG - normal ki transforms into God ki for no reason. 6 good-hearted Saiyans needed - why? There are evil and not-good hearted Gods as well, heck, they're the focus on the entire arc SSG is introduced in. And why 6 and not 728? The visuals are completly random. Red or blue doesn't really evoke the thought of holiness or divinity (that would be white/silver if anything). Neither does it vit visually that 6 blonde mommies and daddies make a red-headed baby. Slimmer muscules for SSG - why? If the God ki is so glorious why are any developed muscules needed at all? I don't like the slimer design, but quite frankly if that's the direction Toriyama wanted to go to accent how much the godliness is better than muscules, he should've made the design much more skinny.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:04 pm

Like every other transformation or powerup introduced, it exists to conveniently further the plot.

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by successoroffate » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:42 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Like every other transformation or powerup introduced, it exists to conveniently further the plot.
And to get more money from us in merchandise!
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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:14 pm

successoroffate wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Like every other transformation or powerup introduced, it exists to conveniently further the plot.
And to get more money from us in merchandise!
Oh yes, of course. :P

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Re: Why does super saiyan God exist

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:20 pm

Every DB series give us a new Saiyan form.

DB: Oozaru
DBZ: SSj, SSj2 and SSj3
DBGT: Golden Oozaru and SSj4
DBS: SSjG and SSjGSSj

It's a tradition for the series. If we got a sequel to GT or if GT went on longer in the late 90's, we probably would gotten SSj5.
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