"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Bansho64]

Also I can't be the only one loving Trunks in Kaioshin garb. This alone makes the manga worth it.

Absolutely with ya on that one. Weirdly, he reminds me of Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin in that outfit.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So if it was melted in a pit of lava would he be free or dead?

He'd be just fine, according to this guy.

How is that even the same thing? What a terrible argument. If he popped out of the sword in a pit of lava, he'd be dead. But here, the sword is turned to stone, and then broken. He should still pop out since the sword was broken

Nothing in DBZ said his life was tethered to the condition of the sword. You're acting like I'm saying something ridiculous as if this was fact when it never was. You're assuming just like I'm assuming, except now you're making up ridiculous arguments that were never stated

The only thing we know from DBZ is that he was sealed inside the sword, and freed when it was broken.

It didn't explicitely say something, therefore the opposite MUST be true!

[OLKv3]

He'd be just fine, according to this guy.

How is that even the same thing? What a terrible argument. If he popped out of the sword in a pit of lava, he'd be dead. But here, the sword is turned to stone, and then broken. He should still pop out since the sword was broken

Nothing in DBZ said his life was tethered to the condition of the sword. You're acting like I'm saying something ridiculous as if this was fact when it never was. You're assuming just like I'm assuming, except now you're making up ridiculous arguments that were never stated

The only thing we know from DBZ is that he was sealed inside the sword, and freed when it was broken.

It didn't explicitely say something, therefore the opposite MUST be true!

Yet here you are saying "It's assumed, so it MUST be true"!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How is that even the same thing? What a terrible argument. If he popped out of the sword in a pit of lava, he'd be dead. But here, the sword is turned to stone, and then broken. He should still pop out since the sword was broken

Nothing in DBZ said his life was tethered to the condition of the sword. You're acting like I'm saying something ridiculous as if this was fact when it never was. You're assuming just like I'm assuming, except now you're making up ridiculous arguments that were never stated

The only thing we know from DBZ is that he was sealed inside the sword, and freed when it was broken.

It didn't explicitely say something, therefore the opposite MUST be true!

Yet here you are saying "It's assumed, so it MUST be true"!

No, I'm saying it's true because it's in the actual chapter. If you were right, he would have appeared.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Knowing Dragon Ball, where you can seal the actual body of rather large demons and gods in rice cookers or tiny stone jars, Elder Kaioshin's body is probably literally in the sword. I imagine he turned to stone and shattered along with it, the same way a gummy bear would shatter if you could put it inside of a Jolly Rancher and then smashed it after freezing it with liquid nitrogen.

PS. Knock off the sarcastic attitudes.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

PS. Knock off the sarcastic attitudes.

I was trying to use sarcasm to make a point. I don't mind talking more directly, but does it violate some rule that I missed? Or is it more of a precaution to keep the peace?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I was trying to use sarcasm to make a point. I don't mind talking more directly, but does it violate some rule that I missed? Or is it more of a precaution to keep the peace?

A little of both depending on the circumstances. Kanzenshuu likes to foster friendly, engaging discussions between members. You're free to use sarcasm in jest or to make a point, but when it's being utilized in a dismissive manner for 2 pages or so now, it's time to dial it back a bit.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I was trying to use sarcasm to make a point. I don't mind talking more directly, but does it violate some rule that I missed? Or is it more of a precaution to keep the peace?

A little of both depending on the circumstances. Kanzenshuu likes to foster friendly, engaging discussions between members. You're free to use sarcasm in jest or to make a point, but when it's being utilized in a dismissive manner for 2 pages or so now, it's time to dial it back a bit.

I apologize then, I've only been an active member recently, and haven't entirely gotten the feel of the site's general debating style yet.

I'm also on the arrogant side, so if you ever see me doing anything non-productive, feel free to call me out and I'll pull back. I don't want to cause anyone else trouble.

[Avery]

At least Toyotaro put some effort into this whole elder Kaioshin stuff. Is the flashback the only major thing in this chapter?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Where are the earrings?
9/10

[Jinzoningen MULE]

At least Toyotaro put some effort into this whole elder Kaioshin stuff. Is the flashback the only major thing in this chapter?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Where are the earrings?
9/10

I don't think the earrings would work well with his hair. Love the Kaioshin garb, though.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I wonder if the earring thing is tied to the "new" role of the Potara apparently being all you need to be promoted/marked as a Kaioshin, thus they didn't include them in Trunks' change of wardrobe (unlike the present versions did for Gohan). Which would mean the Kaioshin and Kibito of Trunks' timeline are a bit more well informed, even if only sliiiiiightly?

Though you could also argue why they didn't just give him whatever non-Potara versions Zamasu had,... I guess maybe they don't know about those versions, as even Kibito was wearing the proper Potara for fusion? This of course ignores the out of universe fact that the concept presumably didn't exist when the Boo Arc was being written.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I wonder if the earring thing is tied to the "new" role of the Potara apparently being all you need to be promoted/marked as a Kaioshin, thus they didn't include them in Trunks' change of wardrobe (unlike the present versions did for Gohan). Which would mean the Kaioshin and Kibito of Trunks' timeline are a bit more well informed, even if only sliiiiiightly?

My head-canon retcon says that Gohan had false Potara, same as Zamasu.

[Chuquita]

[spoiler]Oh wow! If I'm reading correctly, in this version it's Kaioshin who tells Zamasu about Gokû and that's how he first learns of him.[/spoiler]

[Grimlock]

Full chapter is leaked!

What the hell! Zamasu is training with Kibito!? Why and what would Kaioshin of East do in Universe 10!?

[OLKv3]

[spoiler]Oh wow! If I'm reading correctly, in this version it's Kaioshin who tells Zamasu about Gokû and that's how he first learns of him.[/spoiler]

In the present or in Trunks timeline?

[Xeztin]

Looks like in this chapter we get the background of Trunk's training, how he defeated Dabura, and shows that Black was watching even back then. Cuts back to the Future with Black and then back to the present. Zamasu and Gowasu are introduced and that little training regiment or sparring match with him was awesome! I'm glad the Barbarians weren't skipped over! I think its a 39 page count again too? I have no idea what the chapter said but I'm liking this over the episodes it covers in the anime. I'm guessing the next chapter will showcase Black vs Goku/Vegeta/Trunks all the way up to SSR.

[Chuquita]

[spoiler]Oh wow! If I'm reading correctly, in this version it's Kaioshin who tells Zamasu about Gokû and that's how he first learns of him.[/spoiler]

In the present or in Trunks timeline?

Present I'm pretty sure, since [spoiler]Kaioshin and Kibito get killed in Future Trunks' timeline earlier in the chapter. Unless things are really out of chronological order.[/spoiler]

Also, that transition scene [spoiler]of Future Tama the cat at the ruined Capsule Corp and Present Tama the cat at the not destroyed version was nice.[/spoiler]

[OLKv3]

[spoiler]So now Zamasu is chummy with our universe's Kaioshin, and learns about Goku from him. We also learn about the time rings before Black uses his.[/spoiler]

Don't know if I'd call those big changes, but they're changes nonetheless. They're taking their time with this arc instead of rushing through like they did the Tournament. Doing a lot of buildup before the action happens. Gotta wait another month before Black vs Goku

[dbzfan7]

I'm actually surprised there was no Goku vs Black. Isn't some of the Zamasu stuff also from an episode after that fight? I might be jumping the gun, but it looks like that first round of Goku vs Black may not even happen in the manga. Perhaps.

[Herms]

So yeah, in this version U7's Kaioshin is off visiting Gowasu and they have Zamasu spar against Kibito. I guess because they're both in the "servant" role, so why not pit them against each other like Pokémon? Anyway, Gowasu congratulates U7 Kaioshin for taking care of Majin Boo, but U7 Kaioshin responds that it was really all thanks to Goku and co. Zamasu is disturbed to learn that there are mortals out there stronger than gods. Oh, and it seems Zamasu started out as U10's North Kaio.

Beerus and Whis speculate that Black "selected" Trunks' alternate timeline specifically because there were no Kaioshins/Gods of Destruction there to get in his way, which to them implies he must be capable of travelling between parallel dimensions. Also, only high-ranking gods are supposed to know about the life connection between Kaioshins/Gods of Destruction, so how did Black find that out? This puts them on the lookout for any gods at risk of turning evil.