"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Hellspawn28]

I'm wondering how much of Gokû's knowledge or possibly memories he has and where he got the information he has on Gokû, Vegeta, and Beerus. I hope they explain in-universe why he's got different eyes than Gokû has.

I seen some people believe that Goku Black is from a timeline where Zamasu's soul is fused and bonded with Goku's body, resulting in the two fusing together. It could be like how Dan Phantom was from Danny Phantom.

[Xeztin]

Is there something interesting here?

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It says Rose is Goku Black's version of Super Saiyajin and that it rivals Blue. It also points out that present and future Zamasu have different Potaras.

I think it has something to do with the Sakura pedals that float around Zamasu all the time, so it's probably a chosen color inspired by that.

[Nekis13]

I can't remember, but did Black choose to have that hair colour he has? I don't remember if he said that. If so, I get familiar vibes of Freeza saying he picked the golden colour. Or perhaps it's just some alternate universe difference thing maybe.

I'm still pushing that it's Pink/Rose because that's the chromatic opposite(?) to Cyan/Blue

[Baggie_Saiyan]

From what I recall, Goku Black's remark with Super Saiyan Rosé related to its naming. Future Trunks did notice the color though. Clarity would be welcome.

This is Dragon Ball if there is a reason not to explain anything it won't be. It's been 25 years since Goku first went Super Saiyan (in the anime) we still don't know why the transformation spiked his hair, changed it to blonde/gold and gave him green eyes!
Dragon Ball's always had a roll with it approach when it comes to transformations.

[Nejishiki]

I was referring to the specific dialogue in the episode. Thanks for that chuckle though.

[FortuneSSJ]

This is Dragon Ball if there is a reason not to explain anything it won't be. It's been 25 years since Goku first went Super Saiyan (in the anime) we still don't know why the transformation spiked his hair, changed it to blonde/gold

Because Toriyama/his assistants used to lose a lot of time inking Goku's hair, so he made it blonde (white in the manga).
I've the feeling I read that in a interview.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

From what I recall, Goku Black's remark with Super Saiyan Rosé related to its naming. Future Trunks did notice the color though. Clarity would be welcome.

This is Dragon Ball if there is a reason not to explain anything it won't be. It's been 25 years since Goku first went Super Saiyan (in the anime) we still don't know why the transformation spiked his hair, changed it to blonde/gold

Because Toriyama/his assistants used to lose a lot of time inking Goku's hair, so he made it blonde (white in the manga).

Oh I've read about that. I was merely talking in-verse.

I was referring to the specific dialogue in the episode. Thanks for that chuckle though.

I'm sure it was intentionally ambiguous, I feel Toyo will likely clarify things when he gets down that part (though anime may already be at the omni verse tournament at that point )

[Swifticuffs]

This is Dragon Ball if there is a reason not to explain anything it won't be. It's been 25 years since Goku first went Super Saiyan (in the anime) we still don't know why the transformation spiked his hair, changed it to blonde/gold

Because Toriyama/his assistants used to lose a lot of time inking Goku's hair, so he made it blonde (white in the manga).

Oh I've read about that. I was merely talking in-verse.

I was referring to the specific dialogue in the episode. Thanks for that chuckle though.

I'm sure it was intentionally ambiguous, I feel Toyo will likely clarify things when he gets down that part (though anime may already be at the omni verse tournament at that point )

I know this one is probably old as sin and debated before, but does anyone think it would have been smarter to just make SSJ God named "Saiyan God" with the base hair as red, then SSJGSSJ be "Super Saiyan God" with Super Saiyan hair colored red... am I the only dude who loves consistency like this?

I get it, they didn't expect BoG to blow up like that, and then they had to try their luck even moreso with BoG Freeza, but sheesh. I even love the blue, and I totally acknowledge Dragonball has consistently had "we don't explain it" situations. But this one makes the professional in me absolutely go bonkers sometimes, lol.

[Nejishiki]

It's not easy to reconcile that. The original intention, to my understanding, was that Battle of Gods served to celebrate the series. Super Saiyan God's benefits were brief and written to be retained without need of performing the ritual again. It solved itself, really. I'll give Super Saiyan Blue's original moniker, "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan", its fair defense; It actually was a powered up version of the original transformation! Aside from that, "it can't be helped".

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I know this one is probably old as sin and debated before, but does anyone think it would have been smarter to just make SSJ God named "Saiyan God" with the base hair as red, then SSJGSSJ be "Super Saiyan God" with Super Saiyan hair colored red... am I the only dude who loves consistency like this?
I get it, they didn't expect BoG to blow up like that, and then they had to try their luck even moreso with BoG Freeza, but sheesh. I even love the blue, and I totally acknowledge Dragonball has consistently had "we don't explain it" situations. But this one makes the professional in me absolutely go bonkers sometimes, lol.

Reason the name can't be changed like that is because of marketing SSG was already marketed as what it was in BoG so having a new form with the same name would not be smart and will be confusing so they had to come up with something else so SSGSS, granted giving the name the offical Blue label might still cause some confusion but not as much as the other example.

As for why Blue? Well it's implied kinda sorta that SSGSS is fused between SSG and SS, so the result means we get a new colour. Or that like Freeza, Goku and Vegeta both chose Blue.

[Swifticuffs]

Thanks for the clarification and conversation, pals. I appreciate it. I don't mind it so much after the "color fusion" response. I also like how people have theorized the Gold to Red to Blue flame comparison in terms of heat levels.

[Anime Kitten]

It also points out that present and future Zamasu have different Potaras.

I noticed this the other day. I wonder if it means anything.

[Xeztin]

It also points out that present and future Zamasu have different Potaras.

I noticed this the other day. I wonder if it means anything.

The one Future Zamasu has are the same as Gowasu's right? I think it's symbolizing he kills him or steals them.

[Anime Kitten]

The one Future Zamasu has are the same as Gowasu's right? I think it's symbolizing he kills him or steals them.

I think so, yeah. Black also has one that's the same. And probably so, since Future Gowasu is most likely dead.

[Matthanor]

It also points out that present and future Zamasu have different Potaras.

I noticed this the other day. I wonder if it means anything.

Guys, in one of the last episodes, Gowasu wants to go 1000 yrs forwards to see planet babari's futur. But only kaioshin can use ring of time, so he gave Zamasu one green potara saying he s now officially a kaioshin. i think the colour is like a mark or a symbol of the rank of the god. So that's why everybody image a long time ago that zamasu would have to kill gowasu to take his potaras.

but i don't remember anything like that in dbz with east kaioshin / supreme kai from U7...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The one Future Zamasu has are the same as Gowasu's right? I think it's symbolizing he kills him or steals them.

I think so, yeah. Black also has one that's the same. And probably so, since Future Gowasu is most likely dead.

Unless Black is future Gowasu reincarnated. Like how evil Buu is reincarnated into Good Uub surely the opposite can happen?

[Nejishiki]

Just to entertain the thought, Future Gowasu doesn't have to die. He could have retired and passed Future Zamasu's rites naturally. It would make for a famous Toriyama loophole to involve an unofficial Kaioshin (think Old Kaioshin) in the story somehow. He could be a key to countering godly immortality with his knowledge. I'll acknowledge that it's unlikely. You would think he would be taken of no matter the circumstance. I based that on Future Yajirobe, but he's the lone player in hide and survive, I think.

[Xeztin]

The one Future Zamasu has are the same as Gowasu's right? I think it's symbolizing he kills him or steals them.

I think so, yeah. Black also has one that's the same. And probably so, since Future Gowasu is most likely dead.

Unless Black is future Gowasu reincarnated. Like how evil Buu is reincarnated into Good Uub surely the opposite can happen?

I think the big thing with the ear-rings is to be able to tell present and future Zamasu apart but they'll probably have the death of Gowasu or some story tied to them too. I don't think present Zamasu will be alive much longer.

[HeroR]

I know this one is probably old as sin and debated before, but does anyone think it would have been smarter to just make SSJ God named "Saiyan God" with the base hair as red, then SSJGSSJ be "Super Saiyan God" with Super Saiyan hair colored red... am I the only dude who loves consistency like this?
I get it, they didn't expect BoG to blow up like that, and then they had to try their luck even moreso with BoG Freeza, but sheesh. I even love the blue, and I totally acknowledge Dragonball has consistently had "we don't explain it" situations. But this one makes the professional in me absolutely go bonkers sometimes, lol.

Reason the name can't be changed like that is because of marketing SSG was already marketed as what it was in BoG so having a new form with the same name would not be smart and will be confusing so they had to come up with something else so SSGSS, granted giving the name the offical Blue label might still cause some confusion but not as much as the other example.

As for why Blue? Well it's implied kinda sorta that SSGSS is fused between SSG and SS, so the result means we get a new colour. Or that like Freeza, Goku and Vegeta both chose Blue.

Super Saiyan Blue is only the official name within Super. In all other products, the blue form is still called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. There is also nothing saying that Goku and Vegeta chose the color of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

[Xeztin]

I know this one is probably old as sin and debated before, but does anyone think it would have been smarter to just make SSJ God named "Saiyan God" with the base hair as red, then SSJGSSJ be "Super Saiyan God" with Super Saiyan hair colored red... am I the only dude who loves consistency like this?
I get it, they didn't expect BoG to blow up like that, and then they had to try their luck even moreso with BoG Freeza, but sheesh. I even love the blue, and I totally acknowledge Dragonball has consistently had "we don't explain it" situations. But this one makes the professional in me absolutely go bonkers sometimes, lol.

Reason the name can't be changed like that is because of marketing SSG was already marketed as what it was in BoG so having a new form with the same name would not be smart and will be confusing so they had to come up with something else so SSGSS, granted giving the name the offical Blue label might still cause some confusion but not as much as the other example.

As for why Blue? Well it's implied kinda sorta that SSGSS is fused between SSG and SS, so the result means we get a new colour. Or that like Freeza, Goku and Vegeta both chose Blue.

Super Saiyan Blue is only the official name within Super. In all other products, the blue form is still called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. There is also nothing saying that Goku and Vegeta chose the color of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

In the manga I look at SSG as God Ki in base and because SSG acts as his base, he can turn into SSJ with the God Ki which turns it Blue. He's literally going Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan if you count the SSG as a base. I think the aura of the God Ki is originally red, since in the BoG saga they keep saying "I feel it burning withing you" etc.. When Red mixes with the Yellow of the SSG it makes... Blue for some reason.