Shouldn't there be an Anti-Zeno character?

[successoroffate]

Zeno destroys planets, who creates them? There's a God of Destruction but no God of Creation?

As I'm writing this, I remember that the closest we have is the Toki Toki Bird from Xenoverse (not canon)?

[Deathbringer]

Aren't the Kaioshin supposed to be the gods of creation?

[successoroffate]

Aren't the Kaioshin supposed to be the gods of creation?

I don't recall seeing them create anything... but maybe you're right.

[Deathbringer]

I think it was mentioned (maybe in a guidebook or an interview) that the Kaioshin create and maintain the worlds, making them a counterbalance to the Gods of Destruction.

In fact I think it's mentioned in Battle of Gods at the beginning when Kaioshin explains who Beerus is

[MisteryOne]

Aren't the Kaioshin supposed to be the gods of creation?

I don't recall seeing them create anything... but maybe you're right.

According to episode 78 of Super's anime, they do indeed create things, unless the subs I watched were wrong.

[successoroffate]

I think it was mentioned (maybe in a guidebook or an interview) that the Kaioshin create and maintain the worlds, making them a counterbalance to the Gods of Destruction.

In fact I think it's mentioned in Battle of Gods at the beginning when Kaioshin explains who Beerus is

We're still missing an Anti-Zeno figure though...

[Deathbringer]

Zeno appears to be the ruler of both creation and destruction, while its true he has great destructive power and the power to erase things from existence he still probably has the power to create and government just like the kaioshin

[successoroffate]

Zeno appears to be the ruler of both creation and destruction, while its true he has great destructive power and the power to erase things from existence he still probably has the power to create and government just like the kaioshin

That makes sense I guess.

[Cetra]

Maybe Zarama is the next high one.

[successoroffate]

Maybe Zarama is the next high one.

But he only does things upon demand?

[Gaffer Tape]

Hmm... an anti-Zeno. So if Zeno is King of All, then an anti-Zeno would be... King of Nothing!

Ehhh... we have plenty of those! How about Pu'erh? As far as I know, he has no lands, territory, jurisdiction, sovereignty. And he's also tiny and cute. He'd be a perfect King of Nothing!

[Kamiccolo9]

Hmm... an anti-Zeno. So if Zeno is King of All, then an anti-Zeno would be... King of Nothing!

Ehhh... we have plenty of those! How about Pu'erh? As far as I know, he has no lands, territory, jurisdiction, sovereignty. And he's also tiny and cute. He'd be a perfect King of Nothing!

I'm available for the job, if they're hiring.

[Lord Beerus]

Hmm... an anti-Zeno. So if Zeno is King of All, then an anti-Zeno would be... King of Nothing!

With Vegeta the heir to the throne as Prince Of No-One.

[Grimlock]

As I'm writing this, I remember that the closest we have is the Toki Toki Bird from Xenoverse (not canon)?

Toki Toki is a bird that can manipulate time and its eggs contain time itself for a Universe. He is a divine bird, but not a creator. The role of creation belongs to Kaioshins.

[Nejishiki]

Aren't the Kaioshin supposed to be the gods of creation?

I don't recall seeing them create anything... but maybe you're right.

I think it was mentioned (maybe in a guidebook or an interview) that the Kaioshin create and maintain the worlds, making them a counterbalance to the Gods of Destruction.

In fact I think it's mentioned in Battle of Gods at the beginning when Kaioshin explains who Beerus is

In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, coming out in March 2013, a new god, the “God of Destruction”, appears. In this [book], Kaiō-sama and Kaiōshin-sama are described as “Gods of Creation”, but do they have the power to create things like planets?
Rather than Kaiōshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets. Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaiō-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world’s balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don’t get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaiōshin’s orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction.

Why do you think we're missing anyone, successoroffate? Zeno is currently the highest god known & I don't think there's any specific dialogue claiming he needed a counterpart (for now).

[successoroffate]

I don't recall seeing them create anything... but maybe you're right.

I think it was mentioned (maybe in a guidebook or an interview) that the Kaioshin create and maintain the worlds, making them a counterbalance to the Gods of Destruction.

In fact I think it's mentioned in Battle of Gods at the beginning when Kaioshin explains who Beerus is

In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, coming out in March 2013, a new god, the “God of Destruction”, appears. In this [book], Kaiō-sama and Kaiōshin-sama are described as “Gods of Creation”, but do they have the power to create things like planets?
Rather than Kaiōshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets. Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaiō-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world’s balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don’t get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaiōshin’s orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction.

Why do you think we're missing anyone, successoroffate? Zeno is currently the highest god known & I don't think there's any specific dialogue claiming he needed a counterpart (for now).

Thank you for sharing. The reason why I believe there's an Anti-Zeno is because just like in religion there's a god figure, there's also an anti-god figure. I am aware the idea of having an anti-Zeno figure is a stretch, I just wanted to share if someone else agreed, or in your case, disagree with support.

[gipset]

By the end of this arc Zeno 2 will probably be the other side of the yin yang

[Yedis]

Zeno destroys planets, who creates them? There's a God of Destruction but no God of Creation?

As I'm writing this, I remember that the closest we have is the Toki Toki Bird from Xenoverse (not canon)?

I was thinking about this the other day.

There's no balance in the DB universe if Gods who destroy hold all the power.

[Dbzfan94]

The King of All and the King of... Nothing?

[DragonBallLove]

That opposite thing is a Zoroastrian invention, and thought them, Incorporated into Christianity (blame Augustine in particular). Hinduism, the base for many of modern Oriental religious though (through Buddhism), have no opposite to Brahman, the Ultimate Divine Reality. Its principal manifestations, the gods of the Trimurti, represents creation (Brahma), preservation (Vishnu) and destruction (Rudra) in equal terms. You can see its parallels to DBS in the Brahman beign Zeno, and each Universe having its Trimurti in the Kaioshin, Angel and Hakaishin