apex_pretador wrote:Ignoring your play of words, and coming straight to point.
The play of words was necessary, I'm afraid. There's a thin line between sharing your thoughts honestly and making it appear like you're playing devil's advocate to strengthen what is only how you
want to view the facts. Use extensively non-aggressive, assertive forms like, "I think", "in my opinion" next time and you ought to have no problems.
Such as?
- Goku outright tanking a charged blast of one of the strongest techniques of Piccolo
- Base Gohan (post unlocking Mystic) and Base goku are equals, and Base Gohan in current battle Royal appears to be better off than Piccolo.
- Tagoma
- Goku wasn't even serious when sparring against fit buu, who he called superior to fat buu
Such as Piccolo being vastly superior to Super Saiyan Gohan who is superior to base Goku who transforms into a Super Saiyan to face him, instead of suppressing his base form (with an
extreme suppression, in fact, supposing he can beat the Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks of the Buu arc by lifting a finger or so).
The idea that he would go Super Saiyan and then suppress his Super Saiyan form to below base levels is filmsy to say the least. All the other instances have been throughly proven to be 100% inconclusive and much easier to justify in this very thread countless times, either by me or other users; I'm absolutely not gonna go through them again. They can all be justified by characters (Goku or whoever is fighting) suppressing themselves or not seriously trying to hurt each other, unlike Goku vs. Gohan from
before Gohan re-trains, obviously, which would makes Goku simply act in an incomprehensible fashion for the viewer or just "incomprehensibly" in general. Base Gohan has also done virtually nothing which would put him above Piccolo in the tournament, so I don't understand what should be the reference here.
Her blasts hurting tupper - Okay, just because her blasts hurt tupper who was "weighting down Goku" doesn't mean base Goku's blasts couldn't. Remember that the physical strength and energy capabilities of Dragon Ball characters aren't the same. Roshi couldn't even move a 300 ton rock much in DB but could blow up the moon.
Plus, it is entirely possible for characters to have different resistance against physical strength and energy blasts, where a prime example being plum - who could bounce back energy attacks but not physical attacks like rocks being thrown or Dr Rota grabbing him.
*sigh* It sounds like you're simply reaching to me, but I won't object nor go Ockham's Razor to claim that it's simply easier to follow the long established rule "ki blasts hurt = character is not totally inferior". I at least hope this type of open-mindedness applies to all other instances and not only those that reinforce your convinctions.
Base Goku was bind even before weight increase - Goku has been taking this fight mostly casually. He even gets critisized by #18 when she "saves" him "You got caught off guard again?" and remember that Goku agrees.
I have no qualms against a "Goku is too stupid" argument, just know that it's not a very good argument when your claim has a pretense of conclusiveness. You started with a "#18 is weaker than Goku"; if you want to argue that characters do not act rational when they should be forced to you may as well admit your claim can't be proved. Also, I only see the same double standards creeping in again: "
it is entirely possible that there are many types of difference resistances... but, hey, #18's words only meant what I think they meant and prove Goku didn't raise his power level in base". Yeah, no, it doesn't work like that.
I think you might just have one huge problem in separating facts and interpretations even at a
really basic level. Then again, reading most of those who posted in the last two pages it seems like it's a shared problem.