Well, first of all, SSB Vegetto is only ever compared to Beerus, not Whis, the Daishinkan, or Zeno. There's a definite "maybe, maybe not, but definitely a close call" tone to Shin's statement, in the sense that, in the Japanese context, could go either way because the difference is pretty small to make such a statement. The same sort of thing happened in the GT Perfect Files, where Vegetto is stated to possibly be stronger than a SS4 in the same vein as SSB Vegetto being said to possibly be stronger than Beerus.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Pleas explain to me why I'm wrong.SuperDragoon wrote:Nothing else needs to be said about it. Why should I bother counter arguing an idea the manga itself debunked? It'd be like getting into an arguement that Imperfect Cell was stronger than Perfect Cell. Vegetto is blatantly not superior to the Grand Priest.
And on your other comment him being above a hypothetical Gokhan or not means nothing to me. That still doesn't make Vegetto hundreds of times above Buuhan considering the nerfed multipliers.
Second, we see how badly Jiren, a mortal on the level of a Hakaishin at the very least, easily stomps SSB Goku with Kaio-kenX20. This one is particularly important because of the Genkidama struggle. During the fight with Pure Buu in the original manga/anime, Goku and Pure Buu are struggling with the Genkidama. Goku's in his base form and yet is managing to stalemate Pure Buu in their struggle to push the Genkidama. Once he gets his energy restored by the Namek Dragon Balls, he goes Super Saiyan and easily pushes the Genkidama at Pure Buu.
Then comes the struggle against Jiren. Despite Goku using the Kaio-kenX20 with SSB, Jiren is STILL able to overwhelm him. That's a MASSIVE difference, easily hundreds of times greater than Goku, and he STILL wasn't fully powered up. Given how much he toes on being at or above the level of the Hakaishin, that'd basically put a Hakaishin like Beerus at thousands of times stronger than SSB Goku, something that, hey, happily lines up with how much stronger Vegetto would be than Goku. This is actually a bigger difference than Goku against Freeza back on Namek, astronomically bigger.