When? I don't remember that. The closest implication to that i remember is Goku thinking Piccolo has no chance against Frost before he removes his weights.dragon boss z wrote:It was confirmed he used weighted clothes in the U6 tournament.
C'mon, it was for like a second. When Goku arrives he's completely fine. I would blame a poor stamina for this instead of a power gap. Slacking off does screw stamina more than anything else. Piccolo also breathed badly for a while after the fight IIRC.Gohan was breathing heavily while Piccolo wasn't.
How? Freeza fights evenly with Goku, and a even stronger Goku fought evenly with Assault Form Frost.FnF Frieza was still stronger than Frost.
Herms:I think I remember which line you are talking about, but if I could get a scan that would be nice.
Chapter: 309 (DBZ 115), P3.2-3
Freeza: “You seem far stronger than I thought. I’m a little surprised. To think that there was someone in this world above Captain Ginyu…But you’re no match for me.”
Viz:
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On Viz Freeza seems to imply the Z Fighters were stronger than Ginyu too ("I didn't think anyone else surpassed Captain Ginyu" though it's possible Freeza was refering to himself too. The original dialogue from Herms definitely implies Goku is the first to surpass Ginyu, though.
Impossible. Kuririn and Yamcha were confident on winning the Budokai despite seeing Goku's power 3 years ago, and Roshi actually agreed they might win. Goku said his match against Kuririn was the funniest he ever had as well, implying Kuririn was a better match than Tao was.Imo Krillin might not of been stronger than Tao or baba Goku.
I think the "might" is because Oob actually needed to be provoked to show his power, pretty much like Gohan. Without his latent power he's just a powerful kid.I mean those lines are just too unclear and it is just Goku guessing anyways, hence he said "might" win. And clearly that line was completely false anyways as even if we ignore super Goku could of stomep Uub with one hit as a ssj3.
Probably Goku wanted to fight the tournament in base. I mean, he never bothered to transform against Oob yet he confirmed Oob is Boo's reincarnation.
He almost never transformed after he invented the forms, but we don't know when he invented. It could go either way, but i'm willing to say Shin was aware of Freeza's true power. It makes the most sense on a narrative POV.Ya, but since Frieza almost never transforms the chance of Shin to be watching at the time of him powering up are low. It seemed like he wasn't even watching Frieza fight Goku and that was Frieza's most important fight.
Yeah it could be a retcon, Shin's been so powerless these days i wouldn't be surprised if it's implied he's Raditz level or something similiar. I just think it might be the other way around and Freeza being stronger than Base Saiyans was a retcon as well.I agree that it is most likely him talking about final form Frieza from a writing perspective, especially at the time. I'm just saying it could easily be retconned to him talking about first form Frieza. Also Shin wasn't actually talking about himself, he was talking about the other supreme kais who were actually strong enough to make Buu want to absorb them. And speaking of that, the fact that each universe having 5 supreme kais being retconned to only having 1 happened, anything could be retconned at this point, especially this considering Shin never said which form of Frieza.
but currently I believe
Frieza(namek)<semi perfect Cell<=>ssj Gohan (RoF)<=>Shin<perfect Cell