What do you want from Goku's upcoming teased UI mastered transformation?

[8bitdee]

[spoiler]

The argument that the hair is spikier in the promo thus it's a new transformation from what we saw is ridiculous, but I'll indulge those who argue "spikier hair=TOTALLY something new."

Here is your spikier Goku, from past episodes.










As you can see, the thick side bangs are all standing up (and not pointing down like normal base Goku) just like in the promo. The extra red aura in the promo probably just means he's mastered it so that he's not exerting so much energy. As Whis pointed out, Goku was exerting so much heat during his fight with Jiren, pretty much to tell the audience that it was not mastered yet. What we see in the poster is just the controlled version of it.

There's no new transformation.

Are you trolling me? In every pic you posted, the frame cuts off Goku's hair.

In none of the pics you posted is Goku's hair as spikey and full as UI Omen Goku.

Look at it from the back too


UI Omen Goku has a completely different hair style.

Where "begginers UI Goku" is basically just the hair style of base Goku (with pupils and aura) ...tranformed OMEN Goku's hair is all sticking up and very spikey. UI Omen Goku has more the hair style of SS. The UI Goku we have seen so far is just base hair Goku

Anyone seriously saying that Omen Goku is not a transformation is basically saying SS2 was not a transformation either

"SS2 is not a real transformation. Its just the mastered state of Super Saiyan. Look,here are pics of SS1 with spiky hair therefore SS2 with 'spikier' hair is not a real thing. SS2 doesnt exist. Its just Super Saiyan"

See how ridicilous that is. Yet thats what you people.are doing with UI

At this point, I'm truly wondering if you people are trolling me, just arguing for the sake of it, or are Vegeta fans trying to downplay Goku's new form.

Here let me try to make it easier for you

You called it "mastered UI"...Exactly. "mastered UI" IS the new form for Goku. Some want to call it Omen Goku. Others limit breaker. It doenst matter. The point is, Goku WILL tranform into it and it WILL give Goku the boosts of a new transformation.

And regardless this thread is about what you want from Omen Goku, so at least try to stay on topic and post how you would want Goku's UI Omen form to be like[/spoiler]

I feel like I’m arguing against a youtube commenter. I can’t believe I waited over a week to be verified to join these forums only to have one of my first interactions be this.

If you think that this



is different from this



because “you can’t see the tips!” then your argument is childish at best, and my logical mind is telling me I should leave it at that because it’s impossible to get through a thick skull like yours. But because I hate myself, here I go.

You’re comparing those two images to the differences between SSJ1 and SSJ2. And since you love using that comparison, here's why you're wrong:


This (ssj1)




Is CLEARLY different from this (ssj2).




There is a clear distinction. Toriyama made this radical change to Gohan’s look to indicate that this is a new transformation. There is no argument in the fundamental changes to his hair and demeanor. There is no way you could say "well if you cut off the top of Gohan's head, you can't tell if he's SSJ1 or SSJ2." No, you can tell, regardless of whether the image is cropped or not. It's a clear difference in character modeling.

This



Is NOWHERE near as different as this.


"You can’t see the tips!” is you simply pulling at straws and acting like a child who's just been told Santa doesn't exist and doesn't wanna accept it. Yeah, you can’t see the tips, and what the hell does that mean? Are you telling me that the tips of Goku’s hair in the first image are any different from the tips of Goku’s hair here? What kind of argument is that? The point I was making is that his hair is spiked up, as you can see in the curvature of his hair. Regardless of how the tips are, the hair is SPIKED up. It doesn’t flop to the sides like Base Goku. Your argument before is that his hair is spikier in the promo than in the fight against Jiren and I proved to you that his hair is just as spiky in the form we saw in the past episodes as that of the promo poster. Then you changed your argument to say that "all of his hair is all sticking up." No it is not. In both images, the front bangs fall forward towards his face as normal, where the big side bangs are sticking up. There is no difference in hair spikiness. None at all. You saying otherwise doesn't make it a true. The FACT is that the model is the same, except for the extra red aura in the promo.
Not only the shape, but also the color design of his hair are the same. Both have those grey lines along the hair strands that give his that glow effect.
And his demeanor is the same. He looks fearless, concentrated, unfettered. There is absolutely no change in his character model that indicates they're different, not like Gohan's SSJ1 and SSJ2 character model differences.

Basically what I am saying is that between SSJ1 and SSJ2 there is a clear character model difference so the reader could understand that it was something new.

If you think that the difference between these two






is as radical of a chance as the different as the difference between these two



then you’re a lost cause because the character modeling is exactly the same.


Something that is mastered does not mean “new transformation.” It just simply means that he can control the transformation. It’s the same as the difference between SSJ1 Goku in the Namek Saga versus SSJ1 Goku in the Android Saga.
In Namek, SSJ1 was triggered by the emotional rage within Goku. The second time he transformed was when Frieza tried to kill him after Goku told him to leave, and Goku was pissed off that he didn’t learn his lesson. In both instances, it was rage that triggered SSJ1, he was not in control of it. By the time we come to the Android Saga, he is able to control it within any outside triggers. It’s mastered form of SSJ1, but it STILL is SSJ1. It’s not SSJ1.5,it's NOT something new. it’s the SAME transformation, just under his control.

It’s the same in this instance. Against Jiren and Kefla, UI activated because of outside triggers. The spirit bomb scenario against Jiren, and being cornered by Kefla (Whis even notes that Kefla cornering Goku is what made him break past his shell again). Both were activated because of outside triggers, the same as anger activated SSJ1 in him against Frieza. What you call “omen” is not a NEW transformation, it’s the same damn thing only that Goku will be able to activate it at will the same way he could activate SSJ1 in the Android Saga; at will, mastered, under his control. Same transformations, just different instances of control.

[GodVegetto91]

[spoiler]

The argument that the hair is spikier in the promo thus it's a new transformation from what we saw is ridiculous, but I'll indulge those who argue "spikier hair=TOTALLY something new."

Here is your spikier Goku, from past episodes.










As you can see, the thick side bangs are all standing up (and not pointing down like normal base Goku) just like in the promo. The extra red aura in the promo probably just means he's mastered it so that he's not exerting so much energy. As Whis pointed out, Goku was exerting so much heat during his fight with Jiren, pretty much to tell the audience that it was not mastered yet. What we see in the poster is just the controlled version of it.

There's no new transformation.

Are you trolling me? In every pic you posted, the frame cuts off Goku's hair.

In none of the pics you posted is Goku's hair as spikey and full as UI Omen Goku.

Look at it from the back too


UI Omen Goku has a completely different hair style.

Where "begginers UI Goku" is basically just the hair style of base Goku (with pupils and aura) ...tranformed OMEN Goku's hair is all sticking up and very spikey. UI Omen Goku has more the hair style of SS. The UI Goku we have seen so far is just base hair Goku

Anyone seriously saying that Omen Goku is not a transformation is basically saying SS2 was not a transformation either

"SS2 is not a real transformation. Its just the mastered state of Super Saiyan. Look,here are pics of SS1 with spiky hair therefore SS2 with 'spikier' hair is not a real thing. SS2 doesnt exist. Its just Super Saiyan"

See how ridicilous that is. Yet thats what you people.are doing with UI

At this point, I'm truly wondering if you people are trolling me, just arguing for the sake of it, or are Vegeta fans trying to downplay Goku's new form.

Here let me try to make it easier for you

You called it "mastered UI"...Exactly. "mastered UI" IS the new form for Goku. Some want to call it Omen Goku. Others limit breaker. It doenst matter. The point is, Goku WILL tranform into it and it WILL give Goku the boosts of a new transformation.

And regardless this thread is about what you want from Omen Goku, so at least try to stay on topic and post how you would want Goku's UI Omen form to be like[/spoiler]

I feel like I’m arguing against a youtube commenter. I can’t believe I waited over a week to be verified to join these forums only to have one of my first interactions be this.

If you think that this



is different from this



because “you can’t see the tips!” then your argument is childish at best, and my logical mind is telling me I should leave it at that because it’s impossible to get through a thick skull like yours. But because I hate myself, here I go.

You’re comparing those two images to the differences between SSJ1 and SSJ2. And since you love using that comparison, here's why you're wrong:


This (ssj1)




Is CLEARLY different from this (ssj2).




There is a clear distinction. Toriyama made this radical change to Gohan’s look to indicate that this is a new transformation. There is no argument in the fundamental changes to his hair and demeanor. There is no way you could say "well if you cut off the top of Gohan's head, you can't tell if he's SSJ1 or SSJ2." No, you can tell, regardless of whether the image is cropped or not. It's a clear difference in character modeling.

This



Is NOWHERE near as different as this.


"You can’t see the tips!” is you simply pulling at straws and acting like a child who's just been told Santa doesn't exist and doesn't wanna accept it. Yeah, you can’t see the tips, and what the hell does that mean? Are you telling me that the tips of Goku’s hair in the first image are any different from the tips of Goku’s hair here? What kind of argument is that? The point I was making is that his hair is spiked up, as you can see in the curvature of his hair. Regardless of how the tips are, the hair is SPIKED up. It doesn’t flop to the sides like Base Goku. Your argument before is that his hair is spikier in the promo than in the fight against Jiren and I proved to you that his hair is just as spiky in the form we saw in the past episodes as that of the promo poster. Then you changed your argument to say that "all of his hair is all sticking up." No it is not. In both images, the front bangs fall forward towards his face as normal, where the big side bangs are sticking up. There is no difference in hair spikiness. None at all. You saying otherwise doesn't make it a true. The FACT is that the model is the same, except for the extra red aura in the promo.
Not only the shape, but also the color design of his hair are the same. Both have those grey lines along the hair strands that give his that glow effect.
And his demeanor is the same. He looks fearless, concentrated, unfettered. There is absolutely no change in his character model that indicates they're different, not like Gohan's SSJ1 and SSJ2 character model differences.

Basically what I am saying is that between SSJ1 and SSJ2 there is a clear character model difference so the reader could understand that it was something new.

If you think that the difference between these two






is as radical of a chance as the different as the difference between these two



then you’re a lost cause because the character modeling is exactly the same.


Something that is mastered does not mean “new transformation.” It just simply means that he can control the transformation. It’s the same as the difference between SSJ1 Goku in the Namek Saga versus SSJ1 Goku in the Android Saga.
In Namek, SSJ1 was triggered by the emotional rage within Goku. The second time he transformed was when Frieza tried to kill him after Goku told him to leave, and Goku was pissed off that he didn’t learn his lesson. In both instances, it was rage that triggered SSJ1, he was not in control of it. By the time we come to the Android Saga, he is able to control it within any outside triggers. It’s mastered form of SSJ1, but it STILL is SSJ1. It’s not SSJ1.5,it's NOT something new. it’s the SAME transformation, just under his control.

It’s the same in this instance. Against Jiren and Kefla, UI activated because of outside triggers. The spirit bomb scenario against Jiren, and being cornered by Kefla (Whis even notes that Kefla cornering Goku is what made him break past his shell again). Both were activated because of outside triggers, the same as anger activated SSJ1 in him against Frieza. What you call “omen” is not a NEW transformation, it’s the same damn thing only that Goku will be able to activate it at will the same way he could activate SSJ1 in the Android Saga; at will, mastered, under his control. Same transformations, just different instances of control.

The only real difference is the RED aura added on top of it (which you failed to point out btw) in the promo trailer version which WILL be added and revealed in the coming weeks as the fully mastered version of UI, so to that extent i agree with the OP here.

Goku hasn’t mastered the offensive portion of UI yet, and when he does he will gain this new reddish aura on top of his already existing one. It would only make sense from a visual standpoint. They can’t just leave Goku in his current UI form once he master the offensive side of UI. This is to let us know that there is a change. A change in Goku’s ability/technique will automatically also mean a change in his form/appearance. To make it visually more appealing to the audience and to represent a level up of the previous UI version.

That, and ofcourse for marketing reasons. MERCHANDISE!

[Dbzfan94]

Mastered Ultra Instinct = Ultra Instinct.

It's the same thing.

No different from Full Power Super Saiyan from the Cell Games.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Literally all the UI Goku merch is blanked out (only one that isn't the "Omen" one from the special), the first comes March 10th but it's not been revealed and won't be until it comes out. It seems odd to me unless there is gonna be somesort of subtle difference beyond aura? It doesn't make sense to hide it since everyone knows about it & has done for 5 months.

Then there is this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Two UI Goku are blanked out Prize A and double chance prize however the last one prize is fully shown...

Next evidence is UDM:
#30 is???:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
#31 the "Omen" aka blue shirt from special is not...
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Something mighty fishy is going on here...

I think the hair will also be red. Given the Opening theme and the fact that Goku's hair in "Omen" is same colour as base minus highlights, which makes since if "Omen" is supposed to be that a sign.

[BlueBasilisk]

Literally all the UI Goku merch is blanked out (only one that isn't the "Omen" one from the special), the first comes March 10th but it's not been revealed and won't be until it comes out. It seems odd to me unless there is gonna be somesort of subtle difference beyond aura? It doesn't make sense to hide it since everyone knows about it & has done for 5 months.

Then there is this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Two UI Goku are blanked out Prize A and double chance prize however the last one prize is fully shown...

Next evidence is UDM:
#30 is???:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
#31 the "Omen" aka blue shirt from special is not...
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Something mighty fishy is going on here...

There's also this to consider. UI Goku currently has two cards in Dokkan Battle that use both of the existing shirtless images.

This one Is a free to play card picked up from the Tournament of Power story event.

But this one is a Dokkan Festival exclusive banner card that came out I think the same night 109/110 aired. Dokkan exclusives are guaranteed to get an awakening to a lv 120 UR card, but this guy doesn't have one yet. They haven't even teased one and there's no corresponding event to get his medals. Most of the exclusive characters just turn into a stronger version of the same thing, ie Beerus just becomes a stronger Beerus with different art, Rose Black turns into a stronger Rose Black, etc. Bandai Namco are notorious for being cheap and half-assing things in this game so they could have just had the first Goku dokkan into the second one and called it a day (which is what a lot of people were expecting when he was first teased), but for some reason they didn't.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Literally all the UI Goku merch is blanked out (only one that isn't the "Omen" one from the special), the first comes March 10th but it's not been revealed and won't be until it comes out. It seems odd to me unless there is gonna be somesort of subtle difference beyond aura? It doesn't make sense to hide it since everyone knows about it & has done for 5 months.

Then there is this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Two UI Goku are blanked out Prize A and double chance prize however the last one prize is fully shown...

Next evidence is UDM:
#30 is???:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
#31 the "Omen" aka blue shirt from special is not...
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Something mighty fishy is going on here...

There's also this to consider. UI Goku currently has two cards in Dokkan Battle that use both of the existing shirtless images.

This one Is a free to play card picked up from the Tournament of Power story event.

But this one is a Dokkan Festival exclusive banner card that came out I think the same night 109/110 aired. Dokkan exclusives are guaranteed to get an awakening to a lv 120 UR card, but this guy doesn't have one yet. They haven't even teased one and there's no corresponding event to get his medals. Most of the exclusive characters just turn into a stronger version of the same thing, ie Beerus just becomes a stronger Beerus with different art, Rose Black turns into a stronger Rose Black, etc. Bandai Namco are notorious for being cheap and half-assing things in this game so they could have just had the first Goku dokkan into the second one and called it a day (which is what a lot of people were expecting when he was first teased), but for some reason they didn't.

That's very interesting!!

Adds more evidence...! At this point something is deffo up... I am convinced. March 10th is when the IBK goes on sale so Goku will presumably get Mastered UI on the show before that so either on 18th Feb or 4th March.

[buutenks]

When Goku loses his shirt, u know you going to get your ass kicked.

Cell n Buu were lucky they didnt destroy Goku's shirt. Jiren will make that fatal mistake tho.

Now on a serious note. All instances of UI Goku in SUper were epic. So i guess i expect more epicness.

[UpFromTheSkies]

You dont see the much different hair

No. It's the same messy hair to me.

You don't see the totally different aura.

Auras in promotional materials are not always meant to be taken seriously. They generally don't mean anything other than making the person engulfed by it "cooler". Take Dragon Ball Heroes as an example, there are a lot of cards in there where Saiyans appear with lightnings, but they aren't in Super Saiyan 2 form. That's just how the illustrator wanted the character to appear.

Never mind the fact that Goku is shirtless. Tell me when Goku was shirtless in his UI fights against Jiren or Kefla?

Why do you treat a person without shirt as if it was a transformation or something!? Wearing a shirt or not mean nothing at all.

How can anyone deny the promo material?

I'm not denying anything, but "promotional" is, by default and definition, just a piece of merchandising meant to tease the viewer and they are not always accurate/supposed to represent the real deal.

the same exact differences between UI phase 1 Goku, and shirtless UI Omen Goku.

Stop making up stuff, dude. And again, pulling out shirt or any other piece of an outfit is not a transformation in Dragon Ball.

So this:



Looks the exact same to you as this:


If you are truly being serious then....then i don't even know what to say.

The differences in hair and aura are like the differences we saw between SSJ2 and SSJ1

SSJ1:



SSJ2:



I'm sure others also thought that SSJ2 was the same as SSJ, and just a "difference of art/lighting" ?

I can't wait to come back to this thread after Goku's transformation episode airs.


Toppo and Whis both noted how every time Goku got UI, he was stronger then the last time he got it

Think of Jiren as phase 1

Think of Kefla as phase 2

When Goku hits phase 3 it's gonna be a whole other level and a new transformation. Think of it as the SSJ2 version of UI.

He literally just got UI, if they give him another transformation name already it would be too much, bordering on self parody.

[Chuquita]

A full blown stylish transformation sequence by Shida where Goku's remaining shirt explodes off his body in the inverse of how clothes appear ontop of the body in magical girl transformations.

But I guess it's too late in the game for gags.


But seriously? Maybe Goku's UI'd body moving without his permission resulting in something tragic that wouldn't have happened if he did have control.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Mastered UI on March 4th. March Icbiban Kuji's go on sale March 10th...this all aligns. I now kinda regret pre ordering UI Goku stuff. What if I don't like how the mastered one looks?

[Saturnine]

You dont remember

The promo material from a long time ago teased a shirtless UI Goku that looked completely different to the UI Goku we saw for the first time vs Jiren and vs Kefla.

It's going to be an all new transformation for Goku. Some have callied it Omen Goku. Others limit breaker Goku. Others mastered UI.

I didn't any difference between that poster and Ultra Instinct itself. So as far as we can tell, that poster was teasing Ultra Instinct, no other form.

I don't know how to even respond to this in the way I truly want to.

You dont see the much different hair (much spiker hair like SS2 was to SS1)

You don't see the totally different aura.

Never mind the fact that Goku is shirtless. Tell me when Goku was shirtless in his UI fights against Jiren or Kefla?

Is this just a case of upset Vegeta fans downplaying that Goku WILL get a transformation that blows everything away. I have no idea what's going on here. Let me pre-empt this by saying, If you are a Vegeta fan, be happy about Episode 126. Vegeta already had his moment. I was happy for Vegeta too. Now its about Goku. No one should start trying to downplay other characters because they are mad that Vegeta isnt the center of spotlight again.

How can anyone deny the promo material? How can anyone deny that it's a transformation? It was confirmed Goku got a power boost from UI. UI is both a technique and a transformation. It was a transformation for Goku. Already confirmed.

The difference between SSJ2 to SS1 was hair and aura....the same exact differences between UI phase 1 Goku, and shirtless UI Omen Goku.

It absolutely will be another transformation for Goku. Think of shirtless UI Omen Goku as the SSJ2 to UI phase 1......Think Goku's epic UI Omen transformation being like Gohan's SS2 transformation

All these observations are either correct, or just wishful thinking. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

[ZenkaiBoosts]

[spoiler]

The argument that the hair is spikier in the promo thus it's a new transformation from what we saw is ridiculous, but I'll indulge those who argue "spikier hair=TOTALLY something new."

Here is your spikier Goku, from past episodes.










As you can see, the thick side bangs are all standing up (and not pointing down like normal base Goku) just like in the promo. The extra red aura in the promo probably just means he's mastered it so that he's not exerting so much energy. As Whis pointed out, Goku was exerting so much heat during his fight with Jiren, pretty much to tell the audience that it was not mastered yet. What we see in the poster is just the controlled version of it.

There's no new transformation.

Are you trolling me? In every pic you posted, the frame cuts off Goku's hair.

In none of the pics you posted is Goku's hair as spikey and full as UI Omen Goku.

Look at it from the back too


UI Omen Goku has a completely different hair style.

Where "begginers UI Goku" is basically just the hair style of base Goku (with pupils and aura) ...tranformed OMEN Goku's hair is all sticking up and very spikey. UI Omen Goku has more the hair style of SS. The UI Goku we have seen so far is just base hair Goku

Anyone seriously saying that Omen Goku is not a transformation is basically saying SS2 was not a transformation either

"SS2 is not a real transformation. Its just the mastered state of Super Saiyan. Look,here are pics of SS1 with spiky hair therefore SS2 with 'spikier' hair is not a real thing. SS2 doesnt exist. Its just Super Saiyan"

See how ridicilous that is. Yet thats what you people.are doing with UI

At this point, I'm truly wondering if you people are trolling me, just arguing for the sake of it, or are Vegeta fans trying to downplay Goku's new form.

Here let me try to make it easier for you

You called it "mastered UI"...Exactly. "mastered UI" IS the new form for Goku. Some want to call it Omen Goku. Others limit breaker. It doenst matter. The point is, Goku WILL tranform into it and it WILL give Goku the boosts of a new transformation.

And regardless this thread is about what you want from Omen Goku, so at least try to stay on topic and post how you would want Goku's UI Omen form to be like[/spoiler]

I feel like I’m arguing against a youtube commenter. I can’t believe I waited over a week to be verified to join these forums only to have one of my first interactions be this.

If you think that this



is different from this



because “you can’t see the tips!” then your argument is childish at best, and my logical mind is telling me I should leave it at that because it’s impossible to get through a thick skull like yours. But because I hate myself, here I go.

You’re comparing those two images to the differences between SSJ1 and SSJ2. And since you love using that comparison, here's why you're wrong:


This (ssj1)




Is CLEARLY different from this (ssj2).




There is a clear distinction. Toriyama made this radical change to Gohan’s look to indicate that this is a new transformation. There is no argument in the fundamental changes to his hair and demeanor. There is no way you could say "well if you cut off the top of Gohan's head, you can't tell if he's SSJ1 or SSJ2." No, you can tell, regardless of whether the image is cropped or not. It's a clear difference in character modeling.

This



Is NOWHERE near as different as this.


"You can’t see the tips!” is you simply pulling at straws and acting like a child who's just been told Santa doesn't exist and doesn't wanna accept it. Yeah, you can’t see the tips, and what the hell does that mean? Are you telling me that the tips of Goku’s hair in the first image are any different from the tips of Goku’s hair here? What kind of argument is that? The point I was making is that his hair is spiked up, as you can see in the curvature of his hair. Regardless of how the tips are, the hair is SPIKED up. It doesn’t flop to the sides like Base Goku. Your argument before is that his hair is spikier in the promo than in the fight against Jiren and I proved to you that his hair is just as spiky in the form we saw in the past episodes as that of the promo poster. Then you changed your argument to say that "all of his hair is all sticking up." No it is not. In both images, the front bangs fall forward towards his face as normal, where the big side bangs are sticking up. There is no difference in hair spikiness. None at all. You saying otherwise doesn't make it a true. The FACT is that the model is the same, except for the extra red aura in the promo.
Not only the shape, but also the color design of his hair are the same. Both have those grey lines along the hair strands that give his that glow effect.
And his demeanor is the same. He looks fearless, concentrated, unfettered. There is absolutely no change in his character model that indicates they're different, not like Gohan's SSJ1 and SSJ2 character model differences.

Basically what I am saying is that between SSJ1 and SSJ2 there is a clear character model difference so the reader could understand that it was something new.

If you think that the difference between these two






is as radical of a chance as the different as the difference between these two



then you’re a lost cause because the character modeling is exactly the same.


Something that is mastered does not mean “new transformation.” It just simply means that he can control the transformation. It’s the same as the difference between SSJ1 Goku in the Namek Saga versus SSJ1 Goku in the Android Saga.
In Namek, SSJ1 was triggered by the emotional rage within Goku. The second time he transformed was when Frieza tried to kill him after Goku told him to leave, and Goku was pissed off that he didn’t learn his lesson. In both instances, it was rage that triggered SSJ1, he was not in control of it. By the time we come to the Android Saga, he is able to control it within any outside triggers. It’s mastered form of SSJ1, but it STILL is SSJ1. It’s not SSJ1.5,it's NOT something new. it’s the SAME transformation, just under his control.

It’s the same in this instance. Against Jiren and Kefla, UI activated because of outside triggers. The spirit bomb scenario against Jiren, and being cornered by Kefla (Whis even notes that Kefla cornering Goku is what made him break past his shell again). Both were activated because of outside triggers, the same as anger activated SSJ1 in him against Frieza. What you call “omen” is not a NEW transformation, it’s the same damn thing only that Goku will be able to activate it at will the same way he could activate SSJ1 in the Android Saga; at will, mastered, under his control. Same transformations, just different instances of control.

Just looking at the pics you yourself posted, it boggels my mind how you cant see it

I feel like you really are trolling me. Or for what ever odd reason or agenda you are just refusing to see it


The UI Goku they teased is NOT the same UI Goku we have seen so far. Thats at the bottom of this. If you think they are, then nothing can help you

There are clearly dramatic differences

A picture says a thousand words. A picture>>>your novel

If you truly believe this

^ thats an OFFICIAL pic from an actual episode


Looks the same as this


Then no one can help you


The completely different UI Omen Goku that they teased has spikey hair akin to SS


Look at that official pic of begginers "UI Goku" that I posted. Thats like base hair goku. Most Goku's bangs and hair strands fall to the side. The hair isnt anywhere near as full


From the back of the Omen Goku they teased (that pic is also the OFFICIAL one) You can see how most every strand of hair is spiking upwards

Plus you keep conveniently ignoring the dramatically different aura

Like I said, this is akin to the differences between SS and SS2

Compre Goku SS to Goku SS2, and you will see theres an even greater difference between UI Goku and UI Omen mastered Goku....

To use a pic of Gohan as SS2 for any kind of comparison is dishonest and disingenuous. Gohan had his own style and drawing style. The internet: where "people" refuse to accept they are wrong no matter how dead wrong they are


Btw, the title for eposide 129 was just revealed....and I HAVE BEEN VINDICATED...I told you guys....I told you I was going to come back here when the eposide aired and I was proven right. Except I was proven right much earlier thanks to eposide spoilers.

Its best I put you on ignore. You keep derailing this thread. This thread was about what you wanted to see from Goku's Omen form or mastered form..the wording isnt relevant. The point is it is a new form to achieve that Goku WILL achieve and IT WILL give Goku the boosts of a transformation because it is one. I wish you wouldve remained unactivitated. But like I said, all I have to do is put you on ignore

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When Goku loses his shirt, u know you going to get your ass kicked.

Cell n Buu were lucky they didnt destroy Goku's shirt. Jiren will make that fatal mistake tho.

Now on a serious note. All instances of UI Goku in SUper were epic. So i guess i expect more epicness.

hahaha yep. When the shirt comes off, Goku is about to kick some ass !

And 100% agreed : )

UI Goku has been mind blowing epi. If we simply get more of that epicness, then the ending of Super wont sting my heart so much lol

[ZenkaiBoosts]

A full blown stylish transformation sequence by Shida where Goku's remaining shirt explodes off his body in the inverse of how clothes appear ontop of the body in magical girl transformations.

But I guess it's too late in the game for gags.


But seriously? Maybe Goku's UI'd body moving without his permission resulting in something tragic that wouldn't have happened if he did have control.

Hahaha first paragraph legit made me laugh. Thank you

[ZenkaiBoosts]

Literally all the UI Goku merch is blanked out (only one that isn't the "Omen" one from the special), the first comes March 10th but it's not been revealed and won't be until it comes out. It seems odd to me unless there is gonna be somesort of subtle difference beyond aura? It doesn't make sense to hide it since everyone knows about it & has done for 5 months.

Then there is this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Two UI Goku are blanked out Prize A and double chance prize however the last one prize is fully shown...

Next evidence is UDM:
#30 is???:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
#31 the "Omen" aka blue shirt from special is not...
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Something mighty fishy is going on here...

There's also this to consider. UI Goku currently has two cards in Dokkan Battle that use both of the existing shirtless images.

This one Is a free to play card picked up from the Tournament of Power story event.

But this one is a Dokkan Festival exclusive banner card that came out I think the same night 109/110 aired. Dokkan exclusives are guaranteed to get an awakening to a lv 120 UR card, but this guy doesn't have one yet. They haven't even teased one and there's no corresponding event to get his medals. Most of the exclusive characters just turn into a stronger version of the same thing, ie Beerus just becomes a stronger Beerus with different art, Rose Black turns into a stronger Rose Black, etc. Bandai Namco are notorious for being cheap and half-assing things in this game so they could have just had the first Goku dokkan into the second one and called it a day (which is what a lot of people were expecting when he was first teased), but for some reason they didn't.

That's very interesting!!

Adds more evidence...! At this point something is deffo up... I am convinced. March 10th is when the IBK goes on sale so Goku will presumably get Mastered UI on the show before that so either on 18th Feb or 4th March.

Hey, thank you for posting all this evidence. Much appreciated. Great posts baggie: )

The title for eposide 129 has just been revealed... and we have been vindicated: )

Oh its happening all right: )

Now we know for a fact that the ending of Super is going to be bone chillingly epic. We ARE getting that legendary rematch between Goku and Jiren. We are going to get a UI mastered Goku vs full power Jiren 1 v 1 for all the marbles

I'm so happy right now. Thank you Toriyama and Toei.

I'm soooo hyped for episodes 128 and 129 now. I cant wait. I'm still hyped off my balla from all this

ITS COMING BABY! UI mastered Goku vs full power Jiren. Goke has been made great again. LETS GO SON GOKU!

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Did you guys not consider the posibility that the "differences" in aura and hair might be just stilish difference between artist for the same form? (Cause you know, different artists-different aproaches to art. Animators =/= Promo Artists)

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Did you guys not consider the posibility that the "differences" in aura and hair might be just stilish difference between artist for the same form? (Cause you know, different artists-different aproaches to art. Animators =/= Promo Artists)

"The differences between SS1 and SS2 are just stylish differences between artists "

Yeah no

No one can argue this anymore. Episode 129 spoilers just came out and I was vindicated

Why was there this weird agenda in this thread from multiple posters to downplay Goku's new form?

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

The spoilers for 129 doesn't confirm a new transformation, it only says...

Spoiler:

that UI is being mastered and that's all, nothing about new transformation.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Did you guys not consider the posibility that the "differences" in aura and hair might be just stilish difference between artist for the same form? (Cause you know, different artists-different aproaches to art. Animators =/= Promo Artists)

For sure but this goes beyond promo art, UI we've seen thus far has only been referred to as "Omen" and the merch hasn't had a problem showing this off however anything with the proper UI Goku aka mastered has been blanked out which heavily implies that mastered UI Goku will look different to the "Omen" UI Goku. March IBK go on sale 10th the final versions have been revealed but no UI Goku reveal and so people won't know what the figure looks like until it goes on sale.

Another example 3 UI's coming out for the May IBK all the same mould however one is 20cm(blanked out) one is 16.5cm (also blanked out) and another one is also 16.5cm but this time shown and is the "Omen" one aka black hair; they all have the same mould so that implies to be mastered UI has different hair colour or something beyond aura that will differentiate it from "Omen".

[ZenkaiBoosts]

The spoilers for 129 doesn't confirm a new transformation, it only says...

Spoiler:

that UI is being mastered and that's all, nothing about new transformation.

Er what do you think mastered UI is? It sure isnt the UI Goku we have been seeing. Its a new form. Period. It looks different. Its labled different..what more do you need...to claim it isnt anything but a new transformation is serious denial