My Theory On Freeza and a final Arc of Super

[Extreme_kai]

I've been pondering about the end of Super a lot recently, and I came up with my own Theory/Opinion on how the ToP should wrap up. First I want to discuss Freeza and his inclusion in the Tournament. I don't see any reason why they would bother bringing Freeza back a second time in super unless, he will get wished back, or is Permanently Erased. Sending him back to Hell at this point is pointless to me. He's shown himself to be unremorseful and unwilling to repent, the threat of him being resurrected by a zealot again will forever be a looming threat in the series. I don't think Freeza will be erased cause of his popularity as a character, if he was to go out permanently they should save it for something more spectacular which I will get into later.

So, on to who will be the winner of ToP. I do think there will most likely have to be double elimination for this to work.Initially, I had a theory that UI Goku would lose to Jiren, leaving only Freeza in the ring for U7. The last few seconds of the tournament would have Freeza getting wailed on mercilessly by Jiren, he'll fight his hardest to stay in the ring. The time limit will end it in a tie leaving the Zeno's and the grand priest to choose a winner. It's still possible that they could look at Freeza's determination and the overall performance of U7 team(17's sacrifice) and give the wish to them instead, but that's up in the air. Either way, Freeza will be the winner of ToP because there would be no reason to have him around this long or bring him back at all If he didn't. I feel like my original way for Freeza to win would give him some redemption in the eyes of his U7 companions, the viewers and most importantly Beerus. Another positive would be Goku not winning for once, this would throw a wrench in the Goku always wins formula. Goku losing to Jiren would give him more motivation to train harder and hone his UI.

So on to what Freeza's wish will be. Number one, I don't think the erased universes will have to be wished back. The grand priest will bring them all back, explaining that he only made the stakes so high to get the best performance out of the fighters. He may make an ominous threat that next time it will be permanent to get the universes motivated to train harder. Back to Freeza, I know a lot of people are saying Freeza would wish for himself to be stronger than the angels and Zeno, I don't think he would be stupid enough to attempt something like that in front of Zeno. If he did that would be grounds for erasure, and it probably won't even work, because I'm sure someone like Zamasu/Black would have tried it. I think even if he tried he wouldn't be able to wish himself god tier until he was alive first, so his only option is to wish himself back. Beerus will take notice of Freeza's ability to control Hakai energy, plus his performance in the tournament and take him on as an apprentice. This way he can stay alive and still have at least the promise of being next in line for God of destruction. Freeza is not like Vegeta or Piccolo, he can't go to earth and be a goody-two-shoes or even a friendly rival. He's not happy unless he has power and control, the possibility of becoming a Hakaioshin is the upper crust for a mortal. Let's be real, Freeza out of all the known characters in U7 would be the best fit for God of destruction. I think that's where we will end off with Freeza at the end of the ToP arc. I do think we will get at least one more Arc of super after the hiatus which I will go into next.

Here I get into a lot of my own personal thoughts, many things I think people won't agree with me on. I'm not sure when exactly in the timeline this next arc will start but, if I was to guess not too long after ToP, a year at most. Freeza will train with Whis and as we all know Freeza doesn't like to play second-fiddle to anyone. He will grow tired of his position under Beerus and plot his demise. It would be a missed opportunity not to have Freeza plot against Beerus or outright replaces him even if temporarily. Ever since he was brought back he's been plotting in his head overtaking Beerus. Even FighterZ has a quote alluding to him possibly overthrowing Beerus. Now on to some fanservicely aspects to this theoretical Arc, Here me out, I think many dead villains will be wished back by Freeza. Most notably Cell, King cold and possibly Dabora. Why? Well, Dragonball has a history of bringing back old villains and those 3 have remained untouched since dying. Seeing how well Freeza's character has done coming back I don't see a reason why not to give these guys a final chance to shine. I could see Freeza joining Whis in the afterlife realm(for reasons) and find out about the strongest Villians in U7 like Cell and Dabura. Some way he is able to wager with them to join him, they would gladly accept to escape hell and for vengeance. Goku might slip up to Freeza about Beerus's weakness and try or even successfully kill Shin, thus killing Beerus. Imagine how useful Cell could be considering he knows Instant transmission and could just zap him to the land of the Kai's. If Freeza succeeds and becomes the God of the destruction of U7 the earth would not be safe. The final battle would be a God of Destruction Freeza vs UI Goku. In the end, he is defeated, Beerus and Shin are wished back and Freeza along with the other villains are permanently erased so the threat of them coming back is over and done, now we can move on to the future with a clean slate. Like I said, this is all my personal speculation and If I'm to be honest, what I'd like to see from the story moving forward. Old villains back especially Cell and Dabura could bring interesting interactions and character growth. The Cell/Freeza dynamic in particular would be great, and since they endlessly tease it in filler why not let it be canon at least for one final Arc. I'd like to hear your opinion on my theory for the end of ToP. What do you think will happen next?

[Asura]

Another positive would be Goku not winning for once, this would throw a wrench in the Goku always wins formula.

I don't know why this keeps being said by so many people. Have we been watching the same show? When the hell has Goku ever won? He lost against Beerus, lost against Freeza, forfeited against Hit, lost against Black & Zamasu, lost against Fused Zamasu, etc.

When has Goku ever gotten a big win in this series? The only one I can think of right now is Kefla.

[Extreme_kai]

Another positive would be Goku not winning for once, this would throw a wrench in the Goku always wins formula.

I don't know why this keeps being said by so many people. Have we been watching the same show? When the hell has Goku ever won? He lost against Beerus, lost against Freeza, forfeited against Hit, lost against Black & Zamasu, lost against Fused Zamasu, etc.

When has Goku ever gotten a big win in this series? The only one I can think of right now is Kefla.

I wasn't exactly referring to just super, mainly the major mainline villains, Freeza on Namek, Majin Buu, and Freeza again in Resurrection F. I'm purposely ignoring the non-canon movies btw. I think the only time he didn't shine was against Cell. I personally don't have a problem with Goku beating Jiren, I just know a lot of the community find it predictable. It's plainly obvious though that he will not be the last one in the ToP even if they both double eliminate each other or Freeza somehow manages to kick him out.

[ZenkaiBoosts]

Another positive would be Goku not winning for once, this would throw a wrench in the Goku always wins formula.

I don't know why this keeps being said by so many people. Have we been watching the same show? When the hell has Goku ever won? He lost against Beerus, lost against Freeza, forfeited against Hit, lost against Black & Zamasu, lost against Fused Zamasu, etc.

When has Goku ever gotten a big win in this series? The only one I can think of right now is Kefla.

Exactly. Perfectly stated my brother

Another thing is, why is there this want to be unpredictable just for the sake of being unpredictable

As if being "predictable" is a bad thing

(Its ALL about execution. If its done great, its great. I dont care if it was "predictable" or not)

And as you already stated, Goku hasnt had 1 big win in Super yet, so if anything... Goku winning is statistically THE UNpredictable outcome

If anything, everyone is already expecting for Jiren to win or for Frieza to get an ambush win...so those are the predictable outcomes

Regardless of this talk about predictability, Mastered UI Goku defeating Jiren 1 vs 1 is the best way they could end Super on the highest note possible.

Its going to be an awesome battle. Son Goku baby! Cant wait. Really pumped for it. How about you my brother?

[Extreme_kai]

Another positive would be Goku not winning for once, this would throw a wrench in the Goku always wins formula.

I don't know why this keeps being said by so many people. Have we been watching the same show? When the hell has Goku ever won? He lost against Beerus, lost against Freeza, forfeited against Hit, lost against Black & Zamasu, lost against Fused Zamasu, etc.

When has Goku ever gotten a big win in this series? The only one I can think of right now is Kefla.

Exactly. Perfectly stated my brother

Another thing is, why is there this want to be unpredictable just for the sake of being unpredictable

As if being "predictable" is a bad thing

(Its ALL about execution. If its done great, its great. I dont care if it was "predictable" or not)

And as you already stated, Goku hasnt had 1 big win in Super yet, so if anything... Goku winning is statistically THE UNpredictable outcome

If anything, everyone is already expecting for Jiren to win or for Frieza to get an ambush win...so those are the predictable outcomes

Regardless of this talk about predictability, Mastered UI Goku defeating Jiren 1 vs 1 is the best way they could end Super on the highest note possible.

Its going to be an awesome battle. Son Goku baby! Cant wait. Really pumped for it. How about you my brother?

I don't know why everyone responding thinks this was a hit piece against Goku, cause it was not. As I said to the other poster, I personally don't care if Goku wins, I will watch Dragonball regardless because I enjoy the show. With the way the narrative has been flowing up to this point, the best option from a writing standpoint would be for him to not win imo.

I'm not just talking about just Super and even if I was, characters like Hit aren't universe/world destroying threats to Goku, Jiren is. As an antagonist, he's up there with Freeza, Cell, Buu, and Beerus because despite not being evil he has the potential to destroy the entire universe by winning. Jiren is the big bad standing in the way of U7 getting erased, Hit and the other contestants are side bosses. Goku may not have beat Beerus but he was the only one who could stand up against him, you don't have to "win" to get shine. Goku may have "lost" to Freeza(which was pretty dumb lost, it was more like bait for Vegeta fans. No I'm not a fan of Vegeta in Super) but in the end, it was Goku that got the kill on Freeza. Also, no one could stop Merged Zamasu, Goku was the only one that at least came up with a solution to get rid of him even if it was an asspull.

The Jiren vs Goku fight has been hyped up as the final battle since the beginning of the arc, of course those two were going to be the final fighters, it's been telegrammed since the jump.Let's be real, the sentiment I expressed is common for a reason. Some people want less predictable outcomes, If you're fine with the same good for you. My opinion is that I think it would be good Goku to lose to Jiren, it'll give him even more motivation to train harder and further improve his UI. We can agree to disagree, cause I really didn't make this thread to talk about Goku.

[SsjCookie]

I don't know why everyone responding thinks this was a hit piece against Goku, cause it was not. As I said to the other poster, I personally don't care if Goku wins, I will watch Dragonball regardless because I enjoy the show. With the way the narrative has been flowing up to this point, the best option from a writing standpoint would be for him to not win imo.

I'm not just talking about just Super and even if I was, characters like Hit aren't universe/world destroying threats to Goku, Jiren is. As an antagonist, he's up there with Freeza, Cell, Buu, and Beerus because despite not being evil he has the potential to destroy the entire universe by winning. Jiren is the big bad standing in the way of U7 getting erased, Hit and the other contestants are side bosses. Goku may not have beat Beerus but he was the only one who could stand up against him, you don't have to "win" to get shine. Goku may have "lost" to Freeza(which was pretty dumb lost, it was more like bait for Vegeta fans. No I'm not a fan of Vegeta in Super) but in the end, it was Goku that got the kill on Freeza. Also, no one could stop Merged Zamasu, Goku was the only one that at least came up with a solution to get rid of him even if it was an asspull.

The Jiren vs Goku fight has been hyped up as the final battle since the beginning of the arc, of course those two were going to be the final fighters, it's been telegrammed since the jump.Let's be real, the sentiment I expressed is common for a reason. Some people want less predictable outcomes, If you're fine with the same good for you. My opinion is that I think it would be good Goku to lose to Jiren, it'll give him even more motivation to train harder and further improve his UI. We can agree to disagree, cause I really didn't make this thread to talk about Goku.

I basically think along the same line as you do about this tournament.
Because let's be honest, Goku "just winning" the tournament against Jiren would have been way too easy and predictable to end Super.
But what if it ends with a cliffhanger instead?
Like you, I also think Frieza still has an important role to play in the end.

[sintzu]

I think the only time he didn't shine was against Cell.

Roshi beat him, Tien won the tournament, Vegeta broke every bone in his body, He needed help against Buu, he lost to Beerus, Whis and Vegeta helped him against Freeza, he dropped out of the ring against Hit and he couldn't beat Black or Zamasu.

Goku needs a win against Jiren more than anything.