The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Koitsukai]

Future Trunks (when he killed future Cell) vs Present kid Trunks (Boo arc, pre RoSaT)

Kid trunks

Really? Trunks quickly took out 17 and 18 together, and then Cell. While Kid Trunks with Goten couldn't defeat 18. I'm going with Future Trunks, hands down.

[p-hyvo]

Future Trunks (when he killed future Cell) vs Present kid Trunks (Boo arc, pre RoSaT)

Kid trunks

Really? Trunks quickly took out 17 and 18 together, and then Cell. While Kid Trunks with Goten couldn't defeat 18. I'm going with Future Trunks, hands down.

Kid trunks shocked 18 with a mi blast not at full power, and officially him and goten are not that weaker than gohan, who was a lot stronger than future trunks

[SSJgogeto]

Z SS3 Vegito (no drain from SS3 or time limit for the fusion) vs GT SS4 Goku - Goku
M8 SS4 Broly vs Z Super Vegito - Vegetto
GT Newborn Baby(the one defeated by Pan, Trunks and Goku) vs Saiyan arc Vegeta - Baby

Manga Hit (Champa arc) vs manga Golden Freeza (ROF arc) - Freeza, probably
Manga Hit (ToP) vs manga Golden Freeza (ToP) - Hit

UI kid Goku vs Omega Shenron and SS4 Gogeta - Goku

a) Namek Vegito, fused the moment Goku landed and cured Vegeta (no SS but KKx20) vs Freeza. How would that go? - Vegetto wins IMO

Fat Buu (Buu saga, right after he was first released) vs. Maji=Kayo. No candy beam allowed. - Fat Buu, probably

Future Trunks (when he killed future Cell) vs Present kid Trunks (Boo arc, pre RoSaT) - Future Trunks

[Zamasu55]

Future Trunks (when he killed future Cell) vs Present kid Trunks (Boo arc, pre RoSaT)

Adult Trunks stomps.

[Grand Marshal 1]

• Android 21 (Transformed) VS Future Zamasu

• Super Perfect Cell VS Majin Buu (Good Buu)

• Future Gohan (Super Saiyan 3, both arms), Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• All of GT's enemies (except from the major villains) VS Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3)

• Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I) VS Gohan (Ultimate)

• Caulifla (Super Saiyan 2), Cabba (Super Saiyan 2), Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan 2/"Legendary" Super Saiyan 2) VS Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God)

• Hirudegarn (2nd Form, no weaknesses) VS Ribrianne (Giant Form)

• Super Janemba (Evil Demon) VS Buuhan (Enraged)

• Baby-Hatchiyak (Super form) VS Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4)

• Goku (Power Stressed Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power)

• Launch VS Future Mai

[Koitsukai]

• Android 21 (Transformed) VS Future Zamasu

A 21. As long as Zamasu not immortal bla bla bla

• Super Perfect Cell VS Majin Buu (Good Buu)

Good Buu

• Future Gohan (Super Saiyan 3, both arms), Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

Goku Black

• All of GT's enemies (except from the major villains) VS Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3)

So, Rildo, Redic, Rudo, that whip guy, fodder from the movies, and every weak dragon? SS3 Goku.

• Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I) VS Gohan (Ultimate)

Gohan would have the upperhand but Broly would eventually go full ikari and win.

• Caulifla (Super Saiyan 2), Cabba (Super Saiyan 2), Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan 2/"Legendary" Super Saiyan 2) VS Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God)

Well, a tired ToP God Goku did great against them except Cabba, so a rested and post ToP version of God Vegeta should take it.

• Hirudegarn (2nd Form, no weaknesses) VS Ribrianne (Giant Form)

Hirudegan

• Super Janemba (Evil Demon) VS Buuhan (Enraged)

Buuhan. Janemba wasn't that much stronger than SS3 Goku like Buuhan was.

• Baby-Hatchiyak (Super form) VS Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4)

Haven't watched the Hatchiyak movie yet but I don't think it can stand against LSS4 Broly.

• Goku (Power Stressed Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power)

I have trouble mixing manga and anime. A SSBE Vegeta I think could take SS2 Kefla, so a SSBE Goku should too, I guess.

• Launch VS Future Mai

Mai

[Zamasu55]

• Android 21 (Transformed) VS Future Zamasu

• Super Perfect Cell VS Majin Buu (Good Buu)

• Future Gohan (Super Saiyan 3, both arms), Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• All of GT's enemies (except from the major villains) VS Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3)

• Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I) VS Gohan (Ultimate)

• Caulifla (Super Saiyan 2), Cabba (Super Saiyan 2), Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan 2/"Legendary" Super Saiyan 2) VS Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God)

• Hirudegarn (2nd Form, no weaknesses) VS Ribrianne (Giant Form)

• Super Janemba (Evil Demon) VS Buuhan (Enraged)

• Baby-Hatchiyak (Super form) VS Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4)

• Goku (Power Stressed Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power)

• Launch VS Future Mai

- Pass. I didn't play the story in FighterZ.

- Cell might be stronger than Buu, but I doubt he can properly kill him.

- Black stomps.

- Base Goku kills them all.

- Broly overkills.

- Maybe Kale can do some damage, but a serious Vegeta beats all three.

- Hirudegarn.

- Buutenks is more than capable of beating Janemba. Let alone Buuhan.

- Pass.

- So manga Goku? Kefla still wins.

- Mai.

[sunsetshimmer]

• Android 21 (Transformed) VS Future Zamasu

• Super Perfect Cell VS Majin Buu (Good Buu)

• Future Gohan (Super Saiyan 3, both arms), Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• All of GT's enemies (except from the major villains) VS Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3)

• Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I) VS Gohan (Ultimate)

• Caulifla (Super Saiyan 2), Cabba (Super Saiyan 2), Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan 2/"Legendary" Super Saiyan 2) VS Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God)

• Hirudegarn (2nd Form, no weaknesses) VS Ribrianne (Giant Form)

• Super Janemba (Evil Demon) VS Buuhan (Enraged)

• Baby-Hatchiyak (Super form) VS Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4)

• Goku (Power Stressed Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power)

• Launch VS Future Mai

-No idea
-Buu
-Gohan & Trunks
-GT enemies stomp
-Broly one shots
-Team U6
-Hirudegarn
-Buuhan
-Broly with FPSSJ4
-Kefla
-Mai

[ahill1]

DCAU Justice League VS Post-Choshinsui Goku
- Group consists of the core members (ie. the Pre-Unlimited roster). They have intel on Goku's power, whilst Goku has no intel on them.
- Goku starts off at the level he was at when he killed Drum, but can go all-out if necessary.
- Round 1: Regular stats. Round 2: Speed equalised.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power.

• Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F)

• Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) VS Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan, early ToP)

• Toppo (Base/Aura of a God, Full Power) VS Goku Black (Enraged Super Saiyan Rose)

• Adult Super Gohan (Super Saiyan 2, post ToP) VS Adult GT Gohan (Super Saiyan)

• Freeza (True Golden Form) VS Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage II)

• Goku (Super Saiyan 3, BoG) VS Z Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 3, Second Coming)

• Cumber (Super Saiyan) VS Merged Zamasu (Corrupted, Giant, end of FT Arc)

• Super 17 (Pumped up, Max Power, Androids 18,16 and Super 13 absorbed) VS Moro (Prime, Total Magic Power released)

• Adult GT Gotenks (Super Saiyan 4) VS Syn Shenron

[Koitsukai]

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power.

• Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

I'm going with Black. Enough time went by for SS2 Goku to surpass pre-BoG Vegeta, and he was slightly outmatched by Black.

• Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F)

Freeza.

• Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) VS Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan, early ToP)

Trunks. Kale's transformation might make Trunks believe she is now slower, and suffer a little but, God Goku dealt with a stronger Kale, and Trunks is above that.

• Toppo (Base/Aura of a God, Full Power) VS Goku Black (Enraged Super Saiyan Rose)

Toppo. At a great cost, perhaps, but Toppo.

• Adult Super Gohan (Super Saiyan 2, post ToP) VS Adult GT Gohan (Super Saiyan)

DBS SS2 Gohan. GT SS Gohan proved himself weaker than Kid Buu(if base Goku is Kid Buu tier). DBS Gohan turning SS would mean he dropped his ultimate form and thus his focus, but still, 100x stronger than his base from the ToP still should be enough for Professor Gohan.

• Freeza (True Golden Form) VS Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage II)

Golden Freeza isn't that different than Blue Goku and he had the upperhand, so Golden Freeza.

• Goku (Super Saiyan 3, BoG) VS Z Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 3, Second Coming)

Goku, but only after absorbing the ki from everyone when they did the ritual the wrong way.

• Cumber (Super Saiyan) VS Merged Zamasu (Corrupted, Giant, end of FT Arc)

SS Cumber

• Super 17 (Pumped up, Max Power, Androids 18,16 and Super 13 absorbed) VS Moro (Prime, Total Magic Power released)

Super 17 should stomp on his own, without even absorbing other androids. Moro couldn't kill a bunch of kaioshin, Kid Buu did much better than him, and Super 17 disposed of Majuub and friends with ease.

• Adult GT Gotenks (Super Saiyan 4) VS Syn Shenron

I think they might actually have a chance. They would end up knackered though. Come to think about it, SS4 Gotenks's personality would be less serious than SS4 Gogeta's, they'd probably waste even more time, boast and get letally fooled by that weasel. Syn Shenron would kill him.

[sunsetshimmer]

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power.

• Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F)

• Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) VS Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan, early ToP)

• Toppo (Base/Aura of a God, Full Power) VS Goku Black (Enraged Super Saiyan Rose)

• Adult Super Gohan (Super Saiyan 2, post ToP) VS Adult GT Gohan (Super Saiyan)

• Freeza (True Golden Form) VS Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage II)

• Goku (Super Saiyan 3, BoG) VS Z Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 3, Second Coming)

• Cumber (Super Saiyan) VS Merged Zamasu (Corrupted, Giant, end of FT Arc)

• Super 17 (Pumped up, Max Power, Androids 18,16 and Super 13 absorbed) VS Moro (Prime, Total Magic Power released)

• Adult GT Gotenks (Super Saiyan 4) VS Syn Shenron

-No idea of what "quake of fury" is supposed to be
-Frieza
-Kale
-Toppo stomps
-GT Gohan
-Broly stomps
-Goku with difficulty
-Cumber
-Hard to say yet but i believe Moro is still weaker than SSJ Blue and he most likely can't steal android power so i'd say Super 17 wins as even without absorbing anyone he completely outmatched Goku SSJ4. Absorption would give him huge boost as in DBH he actually couldn't beat Goku and Vegeta SSJ4 but trashed them both after absorbing 18 alone.
-Syn Shenron stomps, GT Gotenks would be still a lot weaker than Goku

GT SS Gohan proved himself weaker than Kid Buu

Care to explain? Official sources say he didn't stop training and one interview says that in Super 17 saga he came back as the same super warrior he became to beat Super Buu (even calling it Ultimate Gohan). Seeing how his base form wasn't even hurt from all those punches from Rildo i can't believe he wouldn't beat Kid Buu.

[Koitsukai]

GT SS Gohan proved himself weaker than Kid Buu

Care to explain? Official sources say he didn't stop training and one interview says that in Super 17 saga he came back as the same super warrior he became to beat Super Buu (even calling it Ultimate Gohan). Seeing how his base form wasn't even hurt from all those punches from Rildo i can't believe he wouldn't beat Kid Buu.

Sure. Assuming Kid Base Goku is as strong as Kid Buu(or Z SS3 Goku which would be the same), which is pretty much agreed on within the fandom, give or take a kiri, then Base Goku beating SS Gohan AND SS Goten would also mean SS Gohan is below Kid Buu even with SS Goten's help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWA1rzcgIPk

I remember reading the interview of what you said, where it also is clarified that he actually gave up on his training and was being brought back as a serious fighter for the second half of the series, yes. But in the end his Ultimate form was dropped from the show (together with the whole let's make Gohan matter again stuff and IIRC it is also mentioned in that interview), because we see Gohan turn SS against Super 17 and again vs Omega, and Ultimate and SS are not a part of the same evolution. So he should be stronger than in the first half of GT but not even close to an ultimate power. The fight against base Rildo showed that he is not remarkable at all, even after training.

[CJStriker_CBR]

• Android 21 (Transformed) VS Future Zamasu

• Super Perfect Cell VS Majin Buu (Good Buu)

• Future Gohan (Super Saiyan 3, both arms), Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• All of GT's enemies (except from the major villains) VS Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3)

• Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I) VS Gohan (Ultimate)

• Caulifla (Super Saiyan 2), Cabba (Super Saiyan 2), Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan 2/"Legendary" Super Saiyan 2) VS Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God)

• Hirudegarn (2nd Form, no weaknesses) VS Ribrianne (Giant Form)

• Super Janemba (Evil Demon) VS Buuhan (Enraged)

• Baby-Hatchiyak (Super form) VS Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4)

• Goku (Power Stressed Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power)

• Launch VS Future Mai

• Android 21 (Transformed)

• Majin Buu (Good Buu)

• Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3)

• Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I)

• Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God)

• Ribrianne (Giant Form)

• Super Janemba (Evil Demon)

• Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4)

• Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power)

• Future Mai

[p-hyvo]

GT SS Gohan proved himself weaker than Kid Buu

Care to explain? Official sources say he didn't stop training and one interview says that in Super 17 saga he came back as the same super warrior he became to beat Super Buu (even calling it Ultimate Gohan). Seeing how his base form wasn't even hurt from all those punches from Rildo i can't believe he wouldn't beat Kid Buu.

Sure. Assuming Kid Base Goku is as strong as Kid Buu(or Z SS3 Goku which would be the same), which is pretty much agreed on within the fandom, give or take a kiri, then Base Goku beating SS Gohan AND SS Goten would also mean SS Gohan is below Kid Buu even with SS Goten's help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWA1rzcgIPk

I remember reading the interview of what you said, where it also is clarified that he actually gave up on his training and was being brought back as a serious fighter for the second half of the series, yes. But in the end his Ultimate form was dropped from the show (together with the whole let's make Gohan matter again stuff and IIRC it is also mentioned in that interview), because we see Gohan turn SS against Super 17 and again vs Omega, and Ultimate and SS are not a part of the same evolution. So he should be stronger than in the first half of GT but not even close to an ultimate power. The fight against base Rildo showed that he is not remarkable at all, even after training.

I see a bit of errors, here.
Gt Goku was never stated to be as strong as kid buu, BoGT uub was as strong as kid buu and Goku was stronger.
Obviously, the misconception is started because Goku said that rildo is stronger than buu, but when just the name is said but no form is specified it just mean the stronger one, rildo is just stronger than any buu in general.
Said so, rildo was stronger than buuhan when he was ripping the universe by screaming, requiring vegetto to go all out to stop him. And still, Goku was suppressed during all the fight with rildo and even implied that trunks was superior to the machine mutant, just to go all out in the final kamehameha.
From there, scaling from baby (who is, in general, the strongest enemy in gt up to that point), Goku just became thousands of times stronger from m2 arc to baby saga. There's not a reason, but by scaling he just did becsuse
baby saga goten >kid baby>baby trunks in the hospital planet>base Goku in the hospital planet>base trunks in the hospital planet>baby (rildo absorbed)>pan in the hospital planet>newborn baby>Full power base Goku (m2 arc)>Full power trunks (m2 arc )>hyper mega rildo

From there, base Goku in s17 arc by feats alone is as strong as his ssj4 state from the previous saga, if not a bit more.
Uh, obviously s17 arc rildo is hyper mega rildo, and he is much stronger than his m2 arc counterpart.
Regarding the s17 arc
Base Goku >=ssj4 baby saga Goku >ssj2 vegeta>ssj vegeta >=ssj2 gohan>ssj gohan>>majuub>=ssj trunks >=ssj goten>rildo>base gohan
Yeah, gt characters just become a check stronger from one saga to another, and this isn't even the end but I'll stop there for now

[sunsetshimmer]

GT SS Gohan proved himself weaker than Kid Buu

Care to explain? Official sources say he didn't stop training and one interview says that in Super 17 saga he came back as the same super warrior he became to beat Super Buu (even calling it Ultimate Gohan). Seeing how his base form wasn't even hurt from all those punches from Rildo i can't believe he wouldn't beat Kid Buu.

Sure. Assuming Kid Base Goku is as strong as Kid Buu(or Z SS3 Goku which would be the same), which is pretty much agreed on within the fandom, give or take a kiri, then Base Goku beating SS Gohan AND SS Goten would also mean SS Gohan is below Kid Buu even with SS Goten's help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWA1rzcgIPk

I remember reading the interview of what you said, where it also is clarified that he actually gave up on his training and was being brought back as a serious fighter for the second half of the series, yes. But in the end his Ultimate form was dropped from the show (together with the whole let's make Gohan matter again stuff and IIRC it is also mentioned in that interview), because we see Gohan turn SS against Super 17 and again vs Omega, and Ultimate and SS are not a part of the same evolution. So he should be stronger than in the first half of GT but not even close to an ultimate power. The fight against base Rildo showed that he is not remarkable at all, even after training.

Goku was obviously stronger than Kid Buu and we are talking about beginning of GT. And while Good Buu is weaker than Kid Buu, base Gohan in Baby saga was ready to blast him until Baby said that he should let "small fries" escape. And in S17 arc, as mentioned in interview, he came back as a warrior and was stronger than in Baby saga.

there was apparently so much as an “Ultimate Gohan” concept in Dragon Ball Z, where he was a super-warrior with might surpassing Goku

and then

Around the Super 17 arc in the animation, he came back as a super-warrior all of a sudden

Now, seeing this as "Ultimate Gohan" is matter of interpretation, but seeing how he handled Rilldo it's actually possible that he is Ultimate, or rather has Ultimate power in base form.
You said that Ultimate can't go SSJ, but before DBS it wasn't that clear. It was only said there shouldn't be a need to use SSJ. If you watch early BoG posters and even trailer, you can see Ultimate Gohan using SSJ against Beerus. In final verison, he only used it in SSG ritual. And then there is this card:


Also it's possible that Rilldo from S17 arc was much stronger. Why? Baby was impressed with Gohan's power saying it's the body he needs to beat Vegeta and he already was in Rilldo's body before. It sounds like Baby saga Gohan was stronger than Rilldo from M2. Either way, any non-Ultimate version of DBZ Gohan would get stomped by Rilldo so it doesn't really matter since DBS Gohan was only confirmed to regain his old power. So GT Gohan should still be stronger than SSJ2 DBS Gohan in his base or at least comparable in power, even if DBS Ultimate Gohan was stronger than any version of GT Gohan.

[Koitsukai]

Goku was obviously stronger than Kid Buu and we are talking about beginning of GT. And while Good Buu is weaker than Kid Buu, base Gohan in Baby saga was ready to blast him until Baby said that he should let "small fries" escape. And in S17 arc, as mentioned in interview, he came back as a warrior and was stronger than in Baby saga.

there was apparently so much as an “Ultimate Gohan” concept in Dragon Ball Z, where he was a super-warrior with might surpassing Goku

and then

Around the Super 17 arc in the animation, he came back as a super-warrior all of a sudden

Now, seeing this as "Ultimate Gohan" is matter of interpretation, but seeing how he handled Rilldo it's actually possible that he is Ultimate, or rather has Ultimate power in base form.
You said that Ultimate can't go SSJ, but before DBS it wasn't that clear. It was only said there shouldn't be a need to use SSJ. If you watch early BoG posters and even trailer, you can see Ultimate Gohan using SSJ against Beerus. In final verison, he only used it in SSG ritual. And then there is this card:


Also it's possible that Rilldo from S17 arc was much stronger. Why? Baby was impressed with Gohan's power saying it's the body he needs to beat Vegeta and he already was in Rilldo's body before. It sounds like Baby saga Gohan was stronger than Rilldo from M2. Either way, any non-Ultimate version of DBZ Gohan would get stomped by Rilldo so it doesn't really matter since DBS Gohan was only confirmed to regain his old power. So GT Gohan should still be stronger than SSJ2 DBS Gohan in his base or at least comparable in power, even if DBS Ultimate Gohan was stronger than any version of GT Gohan.

There is no evidence pointing Rildo could've gotten any stronger in base while being a machine in hell. Sure, Gero and Myuu had wine and a great life but still, Rildo grows stronger with that team he absorbs and with the planet. If any, he was weaker due to not being in M2.Also, he got stomped by Rildo, did much worse than his father in base, almost dies, don't know if we watched the same fight. If there is a fight I would NOT use to show Gohan is strong is vs Rildo.

There is no way of telling how strong Goku was (zenkais aren't a thing anymore, proved in Z, Super and in GT as well when SS3 Goku's power remained the same after almost dying with the Death Ball), so the "obviously" part is just your interpretation. If we can't agree on a middle ground then is all my headcanon vs your headcanon. Anyway, Goku being stronger than Kid Buu doesn't make SSGohan any stronger. I was being good with Gohan, not counting his father was starving from travelling the universe, and that he had Baby inside of him once and probably a tad stronger due to it.

I don't think there is any room for interpretation: SS Gohan ≠ Ultimate Gohan. It was confirmed in DBS and in Z Kaioshin made it clear that SS wasn't the way and with Ultimate there will be no need to turn SS because all the power already would be out, SS doesn't stack ontop of ultimate, it's a part of it. Even so, believing it can actually happen just to justify Gohan's strenght which was never seen is nothing but headcanon.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not messing with your headcanon or censoring it, it's yours and I respect it, but it has nothing to do with the show's portrayal.

[sunsetshimmer]

he got stomped by Rildo, did much worse than his father in base, almost dies

Yes he did worse than Goku, but was he stomped? I don't think so. He didn't look hurt at all and went straight to fight against Super 17. We didn't see most of his fight against Rilldo but it looked like he was losing because he lost his arm. I mean here is a comparison of Gohan after a lot of Rildo's punches including being blasted into a building and Gohan after one punch from Super 17:



He doesn't look "stomped" on the left pic honestly (it's even the same episode)

It was confirmed in DBS and in Z Kaioshin made it clear that SS wasn't the way and with Ultimate there will be no need to turn SS because all the power already would be out

But DBS wasn't a thing yet and in Z it wasn't said that turning into SSJ won't make him any stronger. It was just said it's wrong way of getting stronger. Even if you bring DBS, then in manga Kefla asked Gohan if he is going to turn SSJ and he said he doesn't want to rely on SSJ. Nothing about SSJ being pointless. Correct me if i'm wrong. And as i showed you, even early BoG used the "Ultimate SSJ" concept. For me, it looks like GT staff simply made a mistake here and assumed that Ultimate is a fixed boost, not a form which wasn't clear until DBS. The same thing could be said about Battle of Gods. Also:

SS doesn't stack ontop of ultimate

Well, as shown in Battle of Gods - it does. Gohan can still use SSJ as Ultimate. Of course in DBS they changed that and Gohan isn't Ultimate Gohan in this arc.

[Zamasu55]

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power.

• Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F)

• Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) VS Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan, early ToP)

• Toppo (Base/Aura of a God, Full Power) VS Goku Black (Enraged Super Saiyan Rose)

• Adult Super Gohan (Super Saiyan 2, post ToP) VS Adult GT Gohan (Super Saiyan)

• Freeza (True Golden Form) VS Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage II)

• Goku (Super Saiyan 3, BoG) VS Z Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 3, Second Coming)

• Cumber (Super Saiyan) VS Merged Zamasu (Corrupted, Giant, end of FT Arc)

• Super 17 (Pumped up, Max Power, Androids 18,16 and Super 13 absorbed) VS Moro (Prime, Total Magic Power released)

• Adult GT Gotenks (Super Saiyan 4) VS Syn Shenron

- This Black had an advantage against SsjB Vegeta. What can his BOG version do honestly?

- His second form could already be stronger.

- Kale hasn't got a bloody chance.

- Black is way more versatile than Toppo.

- Which GT saga?

- Still Broly.

- Goku wins.

- Base Cumber disintegrates him.

- Pass.

- Syn.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power.

• Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God)

• Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F)

• Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) VS Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan, early ToP)

• Toppo (Base/Aura of a God, Full Power) VS Goku Black (Enraged Super Saiyan Rose)

• Adult Super Gohan (Super Saiyan 2, post ToP) VS Adult GT Gohan (Super Saiyan)

• Freeza (True Golden Form) VS Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage II)

• Goku (Super Saiyan 3, BoG) VS Z Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 3, Second Coming)

• Cumber (Super Saiyan) VS Merged Zamasu (Corrupted, Giant, end of FT Arc)

• Super 17 (Pumped up, Max Power, Androids 18,16 and Super 13 absorbed) VS Moro (Prime, Total Magic Power released)

• Adult GT Gotenks (Super Saiyan 4) VS Syn Shenron

- Which GT saga?

Shadow Dragons saga. Pretty sure Baby Saga would get his ass handed, S17 saga could do something more (say that he indeed got stronger) so I decided to use GT SD Gohan.