Noah wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:04 pm
You know something I was wondering these days by seeing this
title page from the original manga.
Did Goku really trained with Gohan and Piccolo as a SSJ? I mean it made sense for him in anime filler do to so in Base since that would even things out a bit, but as a SSJ is a strech and that could even made his Heart Virus worse.
Only if he was infected by the heart virus by then, and while it's theorized that he got it from Yardrat, it's very possible that it was an Earth disease.
Or maybe that as not the case and Toriyama was just lazy of having to drawn and ink Goku base hair lol
I dunno about that, once the characters were about to fight the androids, Piccolo says he's confident in his own power, and later he's shown to casually beat Gero's ass, and this is despite both Goku and Vegeta going SS for it.
So it seems Piccolo eventually managed to go above Goku's base form, and then Goku started to use SS to train with them.
On another note, don't you guys always found weird that the anime staff never attempted to expand Future Trunks and Vegeta trip on the RoSaT the same way they did it with Goku and Gohan? Apart from brief scenes, I think that could be a good opportunity to develop more their relationship and make us audience relate more with Vegeta's rage after the death of his son (even though I think it was just to show he didn't want to rely on Gohan and solve things by himself).
Maybe the anime staff were expecting Toriyama to do more with it later? Or maybe the writers didn't care lol.
ZeroNeonix wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:22 pm
You know, when you think about it, it's a little odd that Future Gohan trained all his life in a post apocalyptic world and never advanced beyond Super Saiyan form. Yet the younger Gohan manages to do it in one year. Future Gohan watches all his friends die to the androids. Present Gohan watches Cell kill one android he just met, and boom. New transformation. lol
Future Gohan was never properly trained, and in DB you really do need proper training to really advance, and ROSAT training shows it best, Gohan thinks to himself that Goku has been meditating a lot, and then Goku goes Ultra SS, dismisses it, and decides to start training over from basics in SS, and this was so effective he became at least twice as strong as Vegeta in less than an year, and even after Vegeta spent another year in ROSAT, he still couldn't catch up to Goku, and Goku himself decided to end training earlier just so his and Gohan's bodies could relax too, which's necessary for training too.
So future Gohan was probably never properly trained by Goku, and the androids are just overall hard to surpass considering what the characters had to do to surpass them, combine this with future Gohan going to fight them a lot, that gives him less time to train, which, yeah...
So basically it makes sense why future Gohan is so weak, he just was never properly trained, and despite his ridiculous potential, it just wasn't nurtured correctly.
Noah wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:44 pm
That was not really related to what I said, but since you quoted me, well... the whole problem for me is that the future timeline never addressed the possibility of using the Namekian DBs again, not just that but why couldn't Future Goku assist their allies from the Afterlife? If it was explained that people who dies from illness don't have body, I would be "okay" with it, but that also was never metioned before.
Yeah in stuff like that the future timeline is a poorly written mess lol.
Even if somehow Goku's body wasn't in the afterlife, the other characters all could travel to Kaio's planet and ask him to find new Namek...
Still not much has been done with this character, and she doesn't come without flaws, unfortunately, but we take what we can get, I guess. 
