The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Hellspawn28]

What if Nam actually became a Z figther and train alongside Goku?

[Noah]

If the were no Android arc nor Goku having a Heart Virus disease after the death of Mecha Freeza and Cold, how things would unfold?

Would Vegeta even defeat Goku and destroy the Earth?
Would Piccolo still try to rule the world?

What if Nam actually became a Z figther and train alongside Goku?

He seems to have some potential I could see him being near Tao or even stronger.

[Hellspawn28]

If the were no Android arc nor Goku having a Heart Virus disease after the death of Mecha Freeza and Cold, how things would unfold?

Would Vegeta even defeat Goku and destroy the Earth?
Would Piccolo still try to rule the world?

Vegeta would fight Goku and still lose. I feel like Piccolo move on at this point in the story since Gohan help changed his ways. You would have a long years of peace with any Anroids and Goku would be around to see Goten be born. However, none of them would be strong enough take out Dabra. Even if they win with a Genki Dama, it might be enough power to awaken Buu. If Shin dies, Beerus dies as well. The only people would able to stop Buu would be Broli or Moro at this point.

[TobyS]

If the were no Android arc nor Goku having a Heart Virus disease after the death of Mecha Freeza and Cold, how things would unfold?

Would Vegeta even defeat Goku and destroy the Earth?
Would Piccolo still try to rule the world?

Vegeta would fight Goku and still lose. I feel like Piccolo move on at this point in the story since Gohan help changed his ways. You would have a long years of peace with any Anroids and Goku would be around to see Goten be born. However, none of them would be strong enough take out Dabra. Even if they win with a Genki Dama, it might be enough power to awaken Buu. If Shin dies, Beerus dies as well. The only people would able to stop Buu would be Broli or Moro at this point.

I think after 7 years Goku and Goan would eventually get to ss1 post rosat levels.

Dabra is beaten either by Gohan going ss2 or perhaps a warp kamehameha from Goku, as he doesn't regen like Cell.

Otherwise 3 SS1's and Shin do eventually team up. Vegeta doesn't give in to possesion as he has a life time to potentially surpass Goku.

I don't see Boo getting enough power to wake, but Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan seal the deal if either escape.

[Yuji]

Would it be possible to use the Mafuba to seal a villain into a different character?

[Hellspawn28]

What if Goku Black didn't kill Goku after switching bodies?

[TobyS]

What if Goku Black didn't kill Goku after switching bodies?

Black leaves the timeline right after anyway and we never see that timeline again. So literally nothing changes.

He destroyed the super dbs after using them on zamas so he probably destroyed his timelines ones too.

If he doesn't destroy earth or nameks goku wishes for his body, or like a copy of it, back.

But as no one pursued him last time no one would do it here either.

[SupremeKai25]

What if Goku Black didn't kill Goku after switching bodies?

Black leaves the timeline right after anyway and we never see that timeline again. So literally nothing changes.

He destroyed the super dbs after using them on zamas so he probably destroyed his timelines ones too.

If he doesn't destroy earth or nameks goku wishes for his body, or like a copy of it, back.

But as no one pursued him last time no one would do it here either.

I mean, the Goku of that timeline still fought Zamasu, so he'd remember who Zamasu is and ask the Gods to help him. With Time Rings, they could trace Zamasu through the time-space continuum. I assume that Zamasu burned the bodies after the deed was done to cover all his tracks and tie up all loose ends.

If Zamasu left that Goku alive, then that Goku could potentially become a thorn in his side. Even without his body, he still has valuable intel and could snitch on Zamasu. Zamasu gains nothing from leaving him alive and has nothing to lose by killing him.

[TobyS]

What if Goku Black didn't kill Goku after switching bodies?

Black leaves the timeline right after anyway and we never see that timeline again. So literally nothing changes.

He destroyed the super dbs after using them on zamas so he probably destroyed his timelines ones too.

If he doesn't destroy earth or nameks goku wishes for his body, or like a copy of it, back.

But as no one pursued him last time no one would do it here either.

I mean, the Goku of that timeline still fought Zamasu, so he'd remember who Zamasu is and ask the Gods to help him. With Time Rings, they could trace Zamasu through the time-space continuum. I assume that Zamasu burned the bodies after the deed was done to cover all his tracks and tie up all loose ends.

If Zamasu left that Goku alive, then that Goku could potentially become a thorn in his side. Even without his body, he still has valuable intel and could snitch on Zamasu. Zamasu gains nothing from leaving him alive and has nothing to lose by killing him.

Pretty sure only present goku went to meet zamasu because they were visiting him because they were suspicious of him after black came along.

Regardless that's only in the plot hole causal loop bullshit of the anime.

Zamas picked goku after watching him use blue on Godtube.

You are also forgetting goku would simply snitch on him from heaven, it'd be barely an inconvenience for him and a delay for zamas

[SupremeKai25]

Pretty sure only present goku went to meet zamasu because they were visiting him because they were suspicious of him after black came along.

Goku visited Zamasu in Black's timeline too. The lives of Main Zamasu and Black are identical until the moment when Zamasu kills Gowasu and Beerus steps in/doesn't step in.

You're certainly welcome to discuss this from the Manga perspective, but since the Anime went more in-depth into Zamasu killing Goku, I don't see the point.

You are also forgetting goku would simply snitch on him from heaven, it'd be barely an inconvenience for him and a delay for zamas

Well, No, that's different, Otherworld-Living world communications are extremely rare in-universe, usually reserved for immediate, world-ending threats (Super Perfect Cell fight; Super and Kid Buu fights). They are an outlier, not a privilege handed-out freely to anyone.

Ultimately, Zamasu is safer with Goku dead. It's just a case of tying up loose ends and covering his tracks.

So actually Zamasu was very smart to pay Goku a visit before leaving that timeline. A lesser and dumber villain might have forgotten to tie up that loose end and then Zamasu-Goku could spill the beans on him.

[TobyS]

Pretty sure only present goku went to meet zamasu because they were visiting him because they were suspicious of him after black came along.

Goku visited Zamasu in Black's timeline too. The lives of Main Zamasu and Black are identical until the moment when Zamasu kills Gowasu and Beerus steps in/doesn't step in.

You're certainly welcome to discuss this from the Manga perspective, but since the Anime went more in-depth into Zamasu killing Goku, I don't see the point.

You are also forgetting goku would simply snitch on him from heaven, it'd be barely an inconvenience for him and a delay for zamas

Well, No, that's different, Otherworld-Living world communications are extremely rare in-universe, usually reserved for immediate, world-ending threats (Super Perfect Cell fight; Super and Kid Buu fights). They are an outlier, not a privilege handed-out freely to anyone.

Ultimately, Zamasu is safer with Goku dead. It's just a case of tying up loose ends and covering his tracks.

So actually Zamasu was very smart to pay Goku a visit before leaving that timeline. A lesser and dumber villain might have forgotten to tie up that loose end and then Zamasu-Goku could spill the beans on him.

The anime is not more “in depth" just long winded and superfluous. It shows an unnecessary filler flashback to justify Goku getting a rage boost for a second that amounts to nothing in terms of the outcome of the battle because it's not in the outline.

I'm sorry but that's second assertion is ridiculous a supreme kaioshin attendant abandoning his position, using super dragon balls and commiting murder is absolutely something every being in heaven would be motivated to report up the corporate ladder, Goku would go straight to North kaio who's master at communication. He'd be snitched on far far faster this way and he could describe what the culprit said and did, even down to the earrings ans other identifiable characteristics.

He'd be spending time to send Goku closer to the god hierarchy he's trying to escape from.

[SupremeKai25]

The anime is not more “in depth" just long winded and superfluous. It shows an unnecessary filler flashback to justify Goku getting a rage boost for a second that amounts to nothing in terms of the outcome of the battle because it's not in the outline.

Again, you're welcome to talk about the Manga-specific "events" with someone else, but I am not interested.

I'm sorry but that's second assertion is ridiculous a supreme kaioshin attendant abandoning his position, using super dragon balls and commiting murder is absolutely something every being in heaven would be motivated to report up the corporate ladder, Goku would go straight to North kaio who's master at communication. He'd be snitched on far far faster this way and he could describe what the culprit said and did, even down to the earrings ans other identifiable characteristics.

Wrong, because he left the timeline. Anything that happens in another timeline, it isn't relevant anymore. That's why Beerus considered his job done when he erased his timeline's Zamasu.

The moment Black went to Future Trunks' timeline, he was no longer a threat to his own timeline.

Also, I'm not sure why you're acting like Zamasu made a mistake by killing Goku, since nothing came of it. He killed his timeline's Goku and... nothing happened to him. Clearly he didn't find any help in the Otherworld.

[TobyS]

The anime is not more “in depth" just long winded and superfluous. It shows an unnecessary filler flashback to justify Goku getting a rage boost for a second that amounts to nothing in terms of the outcome of the battle because it's not in the outline.

Again, you're welcome to talk about the Manga-specific "events" with someone else, but I am not interested.

I'm sorry but that's second assertion is ridiculous a supreme kaioshin attendant abandoning his position, using super dragon balls and commiting murder is absolutely something every being in heaven would be motivated to report up the corporate ladder, Goku would go straight to North kaio who's master at communication. He'd be snitched on far far faster this way and he could describe what the culprit said and did, even down to the earrings ans other identifiable characteristics.

Wrong, because he left the timeline. Anything that happens in another timeline, it isn't relevant anymore. That's why Beerus considered his job done when he erased his timeline's Zamasu.

The moment Black went to Future Trunks' timeline, he was no longer a threat to his own timeline.

Also, I'm not sure why you're acting like Zamasu made a mistake by killing Goku, since nothing came of it. He killed his timeline's Goku and... nothing happened to him. Clearly he didn't find any help in the Otherworld.

That's not true anyone with a time ring is a threat to all timelines he could easily come back they don't know his plans and if it involves coming back.

He did kill Goku in the manga, or at least says he did, it was more the pointless killing of Goten and Chichi who happened to both be there that was a cringey fridging edgy anime only addition.

I didn't say killing Goku was a mistake although it is a waste of time at best and a mistake at worst, I was just saying we can't make assumptions about what he did in the manga, or Toriyama outline.

[Hellspawn28]

What if Vegeta became Super Saiyan God in BOG instead of Goku?

[TobyS]

What if Vegeta became Super Saiyan God in BOG instead of Goku?

He's a prick and annoys beerus in the opposite way to goku charming him. He destroys the planet.

[Almighty Majin]

What if Cell went too far back in time and ended up in the Saiyan saga in his larva form only to be taken in by Gohan as a pet during his wilderness training?

[Hellspawn28]

What if Cell went too far back in time and ended up in the Saiyan saga in his larva form only to be taken in by Gohan as a pet during his wilderness training?

Cell would still go to Dr. Gero's lab because he still remembers his goal to become perfect. He realizes that he is too far back in time, and will absorb some people in the meantime. I could see him waiting in Dr. Gero's lab while Dr. Gero is working on #17 & #18. Cell and Dr. Gero will show up in South City a few years later and kill everyone. Dr. Gero would rule the world while Cell would fly off in space looking for new opponents to fight.

[Peach]

What if Goku Black didn't kill Goku after switching bodies?

Very interesting question.

Zamasu is still a sadist and hates Goku. I think he would teleport down and confront Goku like he did. He pierces Goku in the chest and kills Chi Chi and Goten in front of him. Zamasu teleports away to kill Gowasu and get the time ring. Meanwhile, Goku passes out.

Goku wakes up later and instant transmissions to Gohan. The two of them get the dragon balls and wish back Chi Chi and Gohan. For the second wish, they try to get Goku his body back. However, Shenron advises that this is not possible.

At some point, Beerus and Goku would reunite and Beerus would recognize that he's Goku in Zamasu's body. Beerus, Whis, and Goku would go to visit Gowasu and discover that he is dead and the time ring is missing. They would know that Zamasu did this, but wouldn't quite understand his motivation. Beerus would suggest that Goku try to track down the super dragon balls to get his body back, but Whis would advise that they were destroyed.

Eventually, Trunks returns to the present and warns everyone about Goku Black. Everyone figures out that Zamasu fled to Trunks' timeline. Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks would return to the future to confront Goku Black, but would get defeated and find themselves in the present again trying to figure out a plan. While Vegeta and Trunks train, I imagine that Goku would seek out Captain Ginyu in Other World.

Captain Ginyu would refuse to help at first. However, Goku would offer to resurrect him, the Ginyu Force, and Frieza in exchange for helping him. Which is the only way I would see Ginyu agreeing. I'm not sure Ginyu would be able to teach Goku the body swap. I think Goku would have to bring him along to the future with Vegeta and Trunks.

The Dragon Team tries to track down Zuno, but discovers that Zamasu had killed him. With Beerus not killing Zamasu in the present, the team would have no reason to travel back to the future to confirm that it's safe and would just stay in the present longer training. I imagine Vegeta would bring Trunks into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with him. After Vegeta and Trunks exit, Goku would have Fortune Teller Baba get Ginyu a day pass.

Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Mai, and Captain Ginyu return to the Future. Vegeta is able to beat down Goku Black after training. Trunks and Goku are also able to keep Zamasu from interfering with Vegeta's fight with Goku Black.

Ginyu does the body swap with Goku Black and the Goku Black version of Zamasu finds himself in Ginyu's body. I imagine both Zamasu's would have a meltdown on par with Light Yagami's meltdown at the end of Death Note.

Ginyu would feel overwhelmed by the power of Goku's body. He would be tempted to keep the body or switch bodies with Vegeta for a moment, but he would remember his squad and Frieza, all of whom he reveres. Ginyu would switch bodies with Goku and Goku would finally have his body back.

Goku, Ginyu (in Zamasu's body), and Zamasu (in Ginyu's body) would return to the present. Beerus would be tempted to hakai Zamasu, but would find the idea of Zamasu taking Ginyu's place in hell amusing. So the team would opt to do that instead. Ginyu would recognize Beerus and would be incredibly fearful. Wouldn't even think of swapping bodies with him because he know how terrifying Beerus is.

Goku would bring Zamasu (in Ginyu's body) to Fortune Teller Baba and she would promptly take him to Hell. Goku would also learn the Evil Containment Wave from Roshi and would get a Rice Cooker from him. Goku and Bulma would return to the future with the rice cooker while Beerus watches Ginyu to make sure he doesn't cause any trouble.

Goku and Bulma would arrive in the future and see Vegeta repeatedly beating Zamasu after he regenerates. Goku would seal Zamasu in the rice cooker, but realize he forgot the seal. Goku would have to travel to the past yet again and get the seal. When he returns to the future, he seals Zamasu away for good this time.

Bulma gives Trunks, Mai, and the people of the future supplies and the future is actually safe for a change. The jar containing Future Zamasu is given to Beerus and Whis to dispose of. After all is said and done, Zuno, Zuno's guards, and Gowasu are brought back to life using the remaining wish on the Earth's dragon balls.

Goku and Ginyu (in Zamasu's body) teleport to Namek. Goku uses Porunga to wish back Frieza and the remaining of the Ginyu Force, which the Namekians don't appreciate.

Not much changes beyond this. Goku just recruits Frieza for the Tournament of Power while Frieza is alive. Promising him the dragon balls for a wish (which Frieza would want to use to become taller). There also wouldn't be a second Zeno and I suppose the Ginyu Force would be present in the scenes with Cranberry and Berryblue during the Broly movie. I suppose Zeno would have restored the Super Dragon Balls off screen before the tournament of power as well.

[Hellspawn28]

What if Goku and Vegeta fought Kid Buu on Earth? How long would it take for Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks to awake up?

[Peach]

What if Goku and Vegeta fought Kid Buu on Earth? How long would it take for Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks to awake up?

It would take as long as it took Fat Buu to wake up probably. Unless Dende healed them...