Universe 7 contains only 4 galaxies?

[Kuririn Fan]

Why does it matter if it's 4 or a lot of galaxies?

Because DB Characters vs. Other character from other series debates.

Aaah, i see now -.-

[Polyphase Avatron]

Bulma asks Jaco about taking her to the center of the universe, but he considers this request ridiculous. The galaxy is incredibly vast, and the universe as a whole contains an enormous number of galaxies, so there’s no way he could go to the very center

As if it wasn't obviously already here's more proof from episode 31 of dragon Ball super

Actually this is the only relevant proof. All of the other stuff everyone tried to pass off before was mere supposition.

[Tsufuru]

the plot was that the universe is to big to search the dragonballs from the edge of the universe.
than they proceed to show the vast universe.

seriosly this is not even an argument.

[pacz360]

Bulma asks Jaco about taking her to the center of the universe, but he considers this request ridiculous. The galaxy is incredibly vast, and the universe as a whole contains an enormous number of galaxies, so there’s no way he could go to the very center

As if it wasn't obviously already here's more proof from episode 31 of dragon Ball super

Actually this is the only relevant proof. All of the other stuff everyone tried to pass off before was mere supposition.

Pal there already gave out proof multiple time in super Jack line basically a final nail in the coffin.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I give an actual plot statement way more weight than background animation. I've gone over this before.

[TheComicCurator]

Hope it is okay if I nerd out and revive this. I recently made some content on Youtube about this and wanted to create a photoshop of what Bulma said this would look like.

https://imgur.com/bB2NnJo


So, we know that Bulma says that the Earth is on the edge of the universe, roughly. In the best possible scenario, we place Namek on the far edge of the North Galaxy (we do know it was located in the North Galaxy). We don't know its location specifically but placing it here gives the best possible speed feat and shows us the size of the galaxy at maximum.

The test flight to namek got to Jupiter in 5 seconds. That makes it about 519x the speed of light. The full flight time to Namek was 7 days. Which puts this at about a total distance of 18.9 light years. 50% of the galaxy is 9.9 light years.

The full span of 4 galaxies is less than 40 light years across.

I am not on board with Jacos statements about infinite galaxies, he is an exaggerator and doesn't want anyone to bother him, so he inflates the universe size in hopes of others leaving him alone after he said the universe has countless galaxies in it. Thats my view on it as per the character study of who and what Jaco is. Of course, he would exaggerate and lie to get his way.

Also, I see the kanji used for this.

https://imgur.com/FjxUPYx

無限に広がる宇宙"

Mugen ni hirogaru uchu

Mugens other meanings, eternal, never ending (time context)

I think this is correct, that the scan there doesn't say its infinitely expansive in size. It seems to say that its eternal and never ending in the context of time. Meaning the universe is not going to experience heat death or collapse from natural laws, it will stay like it is forever.

Curious what your thoughts are on my findings. ty

[p-hyvo]

No, they're 4 quadrants. Basically 4 superclusters divided into cardinal directions

[TheComicCurator]

These translations say there are 4 galaxies often in Daizenshuu 7, and Akiras original map shows 4 galaxies on it though. It also is in the narrative of the series that each kaio oversees one of the 4 galaxies.

https://imgur.com/oSNFQ7M

https://imgur.com/VPTG81w

https://imgur.com/GwenYwa

https://imgur.com/ZlDpBVM

https://imgur.com/CFj8Ecj

I think it confirms 4 galaxies a total of 6 times all over that I could find.

6 is a lot...

[p-hyvo]

The series provides enough context to understand the fact that the term "galaxy" is used for make easy for the kaios to explain the situation to the mortals tho
Between them, they always speak of (northern, southern, whatever) area when talking about the zone they supervise, and let's not ignore that japanese has no plurals so the choice of translating it with galaxy and not with galaxies (which is an option) is entirely up to the translator.

And obviously, toriyama was no astrophysicist and didn't calculate nor scaled correctly the distance between earth and namec, so that's not a good point of reference to determine things since it's pretty much death of the author. Namec is narratively in another "galaxy" compared to Earth, so it's meant to be way further than not even 20 light years, but Toriyama simply didn't make the calc to make the thing fit in because he didn't care, he already gave the exposition needed to make us know how far namec is, and anyway the direction tells me the calc you posted is wrong, even if it's circlejerking anyway

[Almighty Majin]

4 galaxies with 28 planets divided between them, 7 planets per galaxy

I kid of course. Statements aside, I am sure that the quadrants are more like groups of superclusters as p-hyvo mentioned earlier.

[p-hyvo]

4 galaxies with 28 planets divided between them, 7 planets per galaxy

I kid of course. Statements aside, I am sure that the quadrants are more like groups of superclusters as p-hyvo mentioned earlier.

The best part about this all is that his calc is even wrong, he used bulma's ship speed but the travel time of Goku's (even getting it wrong, 7 days instead of 6)

Doing the right calc only with bulma's, the distance is 48.8 light years, which I mean it's still narratively wrong and my argument from the previous comment about death of the author/ toriyama not checking the calc to see if it fitted still stands

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

The right definition is four quadrants; as in the four wind directions: North, West, East and South. Within all of these there are multiple galaxies. The "Universe 7 only has 28 planets with life on them" line by Shin in Dragon Ball Super was the most unnecessary tidbit ever written in this franchise.

[TheComicCurator]

There is most certainly only 4 galaxies in the Dragonball Cosmology. The statements about quadrant translations is entirely untrue. Going back to the original Kanji in Japanese, it doesn't say that. It clearly says Galaxy.

Akiras Map he drew for the guide shows and states 4 galaxies and goes on to specify that Goku lives in the north galaxy.
So to say that Goku lives in the north quadrant super galaxy that contains infinite other galaxies and he lives in the northern most galaxy within the infinite super galaxy right at the border of the universe, is quite silly.

There are repeating statements that Earth is in the north galaxy at the edge of the universe, and not inside of a super giga galaxy that contains infinitely more galaxies. The guides and statements are very specific about the Earths location in the north galaxy.

The guides explain that the word Galaxy is defined as a collection of star systems and nebulae, not infinitely more galaxies.

In DBZ Ep 17, Goku scans the universe for Beerus and sees just 4 galaxies.

1 Kio for each Galaxy was part of the narrative.

Super Shenron appeared between Universe 6 and 7 where you can see a dome encapsulating each universe, proving they are finite. Shenron also appears where there were no galaxies prior, these are swirl magic sparkles and not actual real galaxies, as you can then see that Shenron take them inside of himself and these same galaxy swirls appear in there too and they are the size of Hercules head and even smaller.

Jaco was exaggerating and was on vacation, didn't want to be bothered by Bulma. He also just shot a special monument in space and doesnt want his boss to catch him if he goes back into space, so he said there are infinite galaxies to get her to leave him alone. He then says that his galactic patrol only oversees the north galaxy and not the others, and that his boss and his work have no knowledge of the other galaxies to even make the claim that there are infinite.

As mentioned about, Supreme Kai said there are only 28 inhabited worlds in the local north galaxy, which is why Bulma and Jaco were totally on board with the idea of everyone spreading out from the center of the universe and each taking a direction to scan in their ships. Its doable and can be done fast because there are only 4 galaxies and one of them only has 28 complex life worlds in it. If this were untrue, Jaco would have stopped bulma and said not to do it, but he didnt, because he knows the size of the universe and how many worlds are in it.



The source material is very clear that there are only 4 galaxies.

[The Monkey King]

I am not on board with Jacos statements about infinite galaxies, he is an exaggerator and doesn't want anyone to bother him, so he inflates the universe size in hopes of others leaving him alone after he said the universe has countless galaxies in it. Thats my view on it as per the character study of who and what Jaco is. Of course, he would exaggerate and lie to get his way.

You're not on board with Jaco's statement because I'm sure you have a weird "Vs DebAtOr" agenda to push.

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Jaco is the one that suggests they go see Zuno, so you're suggestion that he wants Bulma and co to leave him alone doesn't even make sense. Bulma doesn't even ask him to take them anywhere, she asks for a method to get to the centre of the universe. The idea of getting to the centre of the universe is so absurd that Jaco exposits that there are countless galaxies in Universe 7. He has no reason to lie at all.

Toriyama used Jaco to make a clear statement on the scope of Universe 7, that's all there is to it.
Just like how in the Dragon Ball spin off manga "Jiya: The galactic patrolman" Toriyama used a different galactic patrolman to exposit that the galaxy the Dragon Ball Earth is in (The Milky Way) has 200 billion stars.



The visuals of the DBS anime shows there to be a countless number of galaxies in universe 7 and backs up Jaco's statement.

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Hell even the very website that you're on right now disagree with you, the greatest source of DB information says you're wrong:

In addition, the titanic body of Super Shenlong — as first shown in Dragon Ball Super episode 41 — dwarfs what appear to be a number of nearby galaxies, thereby seeming to show that Universe 7 contains more than four galaxies. Dragon Ball Super itself consistently depicts Universe 7 as containing countless galaxies, in contrast to Dragon Ball Z where it was stated there were only four.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/gods-and-cosmos/galaxies/

Sure, at one point, maybe the DB Universe did indeed have 4 galaxies, but that was retconned by DBS. No different to how Daima retconned the location of the Demon Realm.

[Mystic-han]

The 4 galaxies are galaxies clusters with each having countless amounts of Galaxies in them

In Toriyama very interview he point out he made a mistake with the pervious 4 galaxies map because it made the world "too small" and changed it into being sections/Galaxy clusters instead of 4 galaxies