Have you ever tried to make sense out of the dub?

[JulieYBM]

The 'Shadow Realm' is never mentioned in the original. The Dark Games, if anything, simply take the players into a generic dark dimension.

[Freeza.exe]

The 'Shadow Realm' is never mentioned in the original. The Dark Games, if anything, simply take the players into a generic dark dimension.

So Shadow Dimensions aren't Shadow Realms?

[JulieYBM]

The 'Shadow Realm' is never mentioned in the original. The Dark Games, if anything, simply take the players into a generic dark dimension.

So Shadow Dimensions aren't Shadow Realms?

What I'm saying is that how the 'realm' is defined in the dub and the original aren't so similar.

[Freeza.exe]

The 'Shadow Realm' is never mentioned in the original. The Dark Games, if anything, simply take the players into a generic dark dimension.

So Shadow Dimensions aren't Shadow Realms?

What I'm saying is that how the 'realm' is defined in the dub and the original aren't so similar.

Maybe I have a faulty memory (and believe me this very well could be the case ) But didn't they both pretty much say that the Shadow Dimension/Realm was an empty void where people would float forever in limbo?

[caejones]

"CHAOZU! He's already been wished back with the dragonballs! Now it's going to be really hard to wish him back!"

... I bought the "next dimension" thing. Like it was something separate from death (Vegeta punching Zarban through the chest and blowing him up from the inside = death).
While I could see better at the time, I still never knew about the HFIL shirts or the halos... (Zarban's death I got only because my dad told me. The way he pointed out Goku's stepping on Grandpa Gohan at the end of Goku's "Vegeta did it" scene suggested to me that he picked it up right then; so far as I know he didn't see any other version of the show.).

I have to stop and wonder if the pretending that people can't die from violence could have worse of an effect on viewers than being blunt about it... then I wonder how the transition from Power Rangers Zeo to Turbo made any sense...

[Metalwario64]

So Shadow Dimensions aren't Shadow Realms?

What I'm saying is that how the 'realm' is defined in the dub and the original aren't so similar.

Maybe I have a faulty memory (and believe me this very well could be the case ) But didn't they both pretty much say that the Shadow Dimension/Realm was an empty void where people would float forever in limbo?

Aww... I never saw the original, and I was hoping that the Shadow Realm was just a place where people were sent if they lost a card game, and could get out with enough effort, whereas in the Japanese version it was for eternity...

Oh well...

Weren't people sent to the "Shadow Realm" though and ended up returning though?

[Freeza.exe]

What I'm saying is that how the 'realm' is defined in the dub and the original aren't so similar.

Maybe I have a faulty memory (and believe me this very well could be the case ) But didn't they both pretty much say that the Shadow Dimension/Realm was an empty void where people would float forever in limbo?

Aww... I never saw the original, and I was hoping that the Shadow Realm was just a place where people were sent if they lost a card game, and could get out with enough effort, whereas in the Japanese version it was for eternity...

Oh well...

Weren't people sent to the "Shadow Realm" though and ended up returning though?

I don't think so, people have recovered from "mind crushes" though.

[Castor Troy]

I still can't grasp "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" to this day. How many kids back then even knew what "Hyperbolic" meant?

[Herms]

I'm not sure Funi even knew what "hyperbolic" meant.

[SSJ2bardock]

Can someone explain to me how the word "hyperbolic" can be applied to the ROSAT?

[caejones]

Hyperbole refers to exagerations, and the time in the RoSaT is ... sorta kinda "exagerated" or something?
I suppose anything that starts with "hyper" could probably work. Hyperbolic just sounds the most mathy.

( ... "Hyperthyroid Time Chamber"? Maybe I exagerated a bit... totally didn't mean for that last pun...)

[Rocketman]

Can someone explain to me how the word "hyperbolic" can be applied to the ROSAT?

Hyperbolic times: integrability versus positive frequency
by
Vitor Araujo
University of Porto
Coauthors: Jose F. Alves

Considering local diffeomorphisms of compact manifolds outside an exceptional set, we obtain relations between the integrability (with respect to Lebesgue measure) of the first hyperbolic time map and the existence of positive frequency of hyperbolic times for a positive Lebesgue measure subset of points. We present an example of a map with positive frequency of hyperbolic times Lebesgue almost everywhere but whose first hyperbolic time map is not Lebesgue integrable.

I hope that answered your question.

[RogueA007]

LOL. Math FTW. I always flat out sucked at math, so obviously I never thought of what exactly "Hyperbolic" meant....ROSAT was easier to remember.

That and I confuse "Hyperbolic" with "Hyperbaric"...and then I think they're in some sort of chamber that has compression and decompression, and may or may not cure the bends.

[russ869]

The 'Shadow Realm' is never mentioned in the original. The Dark Games, if anything, simply take the players into a generic dark dimension.

So Shadow Dimensions aren't Shadow Realms?

They do use the phrase "yami no sekai" or "dark world" sometimes, which you might say could be just as easily translated as "shadow realm." But I don't think they ever even use that in the manga. Sure the edited dub of Yu-Gi-Oh!: Duel Monsters is pure nonsense, but even the uncut anime is often all over the place compared to the manga. Believe me, there is a huge difference compared to the differences between Dragonball anime and manga.

Even when this term is used it's not in conjunction with the idea the "dark world" is a place people can go. When Malik describes his purpose, how he wants to destroy all light and spend his days inflicting pain on others (this guy is a serious torture fanatic...!), he says it will be birth of the "Dark World."

Weren't people sent to the "Shadow Realm" though and ended up returning though?

I don't think so, people have recovered from "mind crushes" though.

"Mind Crush was only one of Yuugi's signature penalty games that he used to punish those who hurt his friends. It was only used on Kaiba in the manga and it put him into a catatonic state for a few months. In the anime he probably fine the next day so no "shadow realm" mention was necessary here.

Similarly Kujaku Mai (*ahem* that's "Mai Valentine") was forced to endure a penalty game by Malik where she would continuously experience the illusion of being eaten by scarab beatles (in the anime this was changed to a being trapped in a Wizard of Oz-style hourglass). As the beatles ate at her mind she would lose more and more of her memories. And supposedly within 24 hours her mind would be completely destroyed,including the brains ability to maintain involuntary actions such as breathing, and she would die.

Another place where they used this was when Jonouchi was incinerated by God Phoenix in Malik's dark game where the players feel the pain of their monsters, he was nearly killed from going into shock, with his breathing stopping even after being put on life support. Of course, the dub claimed that "his mind was sent to the shadow realm."

[VegettoEX]

Let's please remember that this is a DragonBall forum . Thanks!