If GT didn't exist...

omae no kaasan · Post by **omae no kaasan** » Mon May 09, 2005 7:05 pm

The difference though is between what was thought up by Toriyama for the kids and what was thought up by Toei for the kidz.

What's wrong with who thinks up what? They're the same characters and the spirit of the story is definately unchanged. The difference would be that either it feels like it is too fast or far too slow, (but not as slow as DBZ at its worst).

Either way, this brings me back to my original point, Toriyama backed the show so whether it is 'good' or not should not be judged with respect to his involvement since he supported it.

Whether the story is good or not is another issue and if you judge it on that aspect, then it also reflects somewhat on Toriyama which is absolutely fine. But just realize that.

Besides, the best episodes of DBZ IMHO were the Saiyan saga filler and they had just as much to do with Toriyama. Those were damn fine episodes.

Aurek · Post by **Aurek** » Tue May 10, 2005 4:01 am

What's wrong with who thinks up what? They're the same characters and the spirit of the story is definately unchanged. The difference would be that either it feels like it is too fast or far too slow, (but not as slow as DBZ at its worst).

Ok I'm not really being clear, sorry about that. What I meant is that the feeling I got from GT was that a committee or couple of designers sat down and said; "going back to basic didnt work, right, what do the kids like?". As a by product of that you get the (in my opinion) boring fights and lack of attention to detail that are the reasons I dont like GT.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Tue May 10, 2005 8:58 am

Aurek, Anime in Japan is aimed at kids. No matter how mature it is. They dont even consider stuff like Adult Swim.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue May 10, 2005 10:53 am

Well, not all anime is for kids. =/ Only the likes of Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, Pocket Monsters, Digimon, etc. Porno anime is scary. ;.;

... Switching back on topc.

Aurek · Post by **Aurek** » Tue May 10, 2005 12:03 pm

Sorry...

Oh I know that sun_wukong, DBZ is a shonen anime. I am under no illusions that I watch loads of childrens cartoons, and I dont care. Thats not my point.

Ok now back on topic...

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue May 10, 2005 1:35 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Aurek, Anime in Japan is aimed at kids. No matter how mature it is. They dont even consider stuff like Adult Swim.

Excuse me while I watch Speed Grapher with my 12 year old brother

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:29 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Aurek, Anime in Japan is aimed at kids. No matter how mature it is. They dont even consider stuff like Adult Swim.

Tell that to Bulma while Krillin reveals her breasts.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue May 10, 2005 4:42 pm

Trunks Master Swordsman03 wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:Aurek, Anime in Japan is aimed at kids. No matter how mature it is. They dont even consider stuff like Adult Swim.
Tell that to Bulma while Krillin reveals her breasts.

That might just be because of cultural differences.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:53 pm

Trunks Master Swordsman03 wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:Aurek, Anime in Japan is aimed at kids. No matter how mature it is. They dont even consider stuff like Adult Swim.
Tell that to Bulma while Krillin reveals her breasts.

It's still a kid's show. This is a country that finds physical, bathroom humour very funny. There is even a game that really young children play which consists of sneaking up behind someone and poking your two index fingers up their butt. And I can't belive I just explained that.>_> So cultural differences is a big factor.

Fuujin · Post by **Fuujin** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:13 pm

Ooooh, is this where Kakashi's "Thousand Years of Pain" came from?

And now we know!

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:21 pm

Yes that is the exact game there. *points towards current avy

* Except the kids don't send the other one flying 100 feet away.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:27 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
Trunks Master Swordsman03 wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:Aurek, Anime in Japan is aimed at kids. No matter how mature it is. They dont even consider stuff like Adult Swim.
Tell that to Bulma while Krillin reveals her breasts.
That might just be because of cultural differences.

Which is why un-cut DBZ can't be called a kid's show by U.S. standards.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:52 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Which is why un-cut DBZ can't be called a kid's show by U.S. standards.

Sure it can. They just wouldn't understand some of the references, and moms would continue to be a bunch of wankers 'cuz they're not cultured and don't enjoy potty humor

.

But this isn't the topic of this thread, thank you ^_~.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue May 10, 2005 7:28 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Which is why un-cut DBZ can't be called a kid's show by U.S. standards.
moms would continue to be a bunch of wankers 'cuz they're not cultured and don't enjoy potty humor

My point exactly. *Hops back on the on-topic train*

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:15 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Which is why un-cut DBZ can't be called a kid's show by U.S. standards.
Sure it can. They just wouldn't understand some of the references, and moms would continue to be a bunch of wankers 'cuz they're not cultured and don't enjoy potty humor .

But this isn't the topic of this thread, thank you ^_~.

No it can't. I don't even think in Japan it would be acceptable to show a woman's breasts (animated or not) to children under the age of 13. No way.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:19 pm

Well...Bulma's breasts were shown in Dragon Ball I believe....

Cultural differences...yes.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:20 pm

Dude, get a better world view. Not all countries are as hyper sensitive about light nudity as the North American ones are.

Edit: (Obviously directed to Master Swordsman)

SpaceKappa · Post by **SpaceKappa** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:31 pm

The finger-poking game is called "Kancho."

If you want to know how perverted Japanese society is, I suggest you read these editorials, written by an American teaching English in Japan.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed May 11, 2005 7:19 am

Thanks Mizugi, I couldn't remember the exact name of it. ^^

Blastero · Post by **Blastero** » Wed May 11, 2005 8:14 am

I don't exactly look at Japanese DBZ as a kid show. You could say that I'm in denial, or a hyped up fanboy or whatever, but I stick to my opinion. I don't however, look at it as a huge adult only show either. I look at it as more of a wide audience show that adults and children alike both enjoy. Like the Simpsons.

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