Movie 8 - Cell games

[Super Vegetto]

The concept arts for movie 8. Same as Cell games ?

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Thing is that they made this movie like movie 13. Goku without any logic still continues to getting up and others are half dead after 5 sec of fighthing Broly.

Also masenko Gohan + Trunks is same power as SSJ2 level of atk or ?

Explanation ?

[hleV]

A confirmation of SSJG2 Vegeta in DBZ movie #8!

[Jackal puFF]

I don't understand the correlation between movie 8 and Cell games.

[Saiga]

So I guess Goku and Gohan would have to be FPSS to be stronger than SSG2 Vegeta and Trunks, although they don't have those features in the movie.

[Super Vegetto]

A confirmation of SSJG2 Vegeta in DBZ movie #8!

Trunks is also SSJG2...

We all know when Goku and Gohan left the RoSaT Trunks had short hair, day's later, right before the Cell Games started Trunks had long hair, indicating that Trunks was in the RoSaT with Vegeta.

Now, in Movie 8 Gohan has his Post-RoSaT hairstyle and Trunks has his long hairstyle.

Could this mean that Trunks is already Post-RoSaT in the Movie cuz there is no other way or ?

Why would they use long hairstyle if Trunks had short hair in scene moments before Goku and Gohan arrived from time chamber ? Also the ASSJ hairstyle for Future Trunks in movie 8 is same as SSJ hairstyle for Future Trunks in manga.
Did they use those concpet arts in anime because if we look at anime, in some moments Trunks and Vegeta are ASSJ in Cell games. Did they made a mistake in making those forms or what ?

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My opinion is that Gohan at this point was still in his supporting role, he wasn't the hero yet. When Goku is dead, Gohan takes role of beeing strongest and main protector in movies...

[hleV]

Trunks is also SSJG2...

That would make sense, I guess, although I don't quite see Trunks as SSJG2 in the sketch.

[Super Vegetto]

Trunks is also SSJG2...

That would make sense, I guess, although I don't quite see Trunks as SSJG2 in the sketch.

Trunks somehow looks to tiny in jacket. He also rips jacket in movie 8 with his muscle incrise ( turning into assj )..

But again in daizenshuu movie 8 it says Goku, Gohan and Trunks turn SSJ so by following daizenshuu Trunks is probably SSJ but why is Vegeta ASSJ ? Did Trunks go second time in rosat first ? Piccolo goes second and after rosat he comes with ship on fake Planet Vegeta ? Vegeta is the last one to enter so he still use his ASSJ ?

Its realy messed up when they use same hairstyles for SSJ Trunks Cell games and ASSJ or SSJ Trunks in movie 8...

[hleV]

We really shouldn't try to apply original timeline's logic to Toei's DBZ movie. They just take characters they like and toss them into the scene.

[Akumaito Beam]

The anime to me is all about expansion of the source material and the goods and bads that come along with it. If there can be a Cooler or Brolli in my personal anime canon without too much fuss I welcome it.

[hleV]

The anime to me is all about expansion of the source material and the goods and bads that come along with it. If there can be a Cooler or Brolli in my personal anime canon without too much fuss I welcome it.

And how is that related to... anything here? I just said that we shouldn't apply original timeline's logic into a movie, because evidently Toei itself doesn't do so. I don't mind you having Broli or Coola in your personal canon, but the events of the movies (well, most of them) cannot coexist with the events of the original timeline. Or wasn't you replying to my post?

[Akumaito Beam]

I guess my post was indirectly asking you why this topic shouldn't be discussed. If people are having fun trying to come up with how parts of the films can fit into the original story who cares what the original intention was? That's kind of the point of this entire section, trying to fix inconsistencies with in-universe explanations.

[Fox666]

Trunks is also SSJG2...

But again in daizenshuu movie 8 it says Goku, Gohan and Trunks turn SSJ so by following daizenshuu Trunks is probably SSJ but why is Vegeta ASSJ ?

They may have just not specified "which Super Saiyan form". In the pictures above, despite they clearly being in Grade II it is written there they are in the same form as Goku. Perhaps during the release of the movie they didn't came up with a different name for the different Super Saiyan forms?

[Super Vegetto]

Fox666 : I dont know. Maybe they yust didnt think how to call those forms or who knows why..

Only reason everyone says this movie is before Cell games even if Cell doesnt exist in that timeline, is because comparison in strenght... I think the characters are same as in Cell games. The reason why Vegeta and Trunks use SSJ in manga in Cell games becomed realy wierd choice. They were 2 time in chamber and yet Vegeta didnt stay as SSJ to achive so called FPSSJ. The Ascendent SSJ proved > SSJ in powers but for some reason they trowed those form and Vegeta who didnt mastered SSJ in Cell games like Trunks are still using SSJ and not ASSJ which is stronger form for them in that time imo...

Also whats with ASSJ Trunks in movie 9 ? He is same Trunks like in movie 8. No changes and same concept art is used for him?

Also Vegeta and Trunks using SSJ in Cell games is same like Gohan using SSJ against Dabura. I have more proof and seen more proof that says Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabura. Only thing manga has for proof is aura and nothing more.

I also have a theory about Vegeta and Trunks using ASSJ in Cell games but they mastered them more so aura changed, or Gohan is SSJ2 against Dabura but weaker because Vegeta before knocking Goku down is shown without lightning aura. After Vegeta takes senzu he powers up and gets lightning aura. Why is Vegeta missing lighning and is Gohan using some weaker SSJ2 form which is result of not having Lightning ? Also same theory is for ASSJ Vegeta and Trunks. They mastered those forms more so they look diffrent in those form yet only thing manga have for proof is basicly aura...

[hleV]

The reason why Vegeta and Trunks use SSJ in manga in Cell games becomed realy wierd choice. They were 2 time in chamber and yet Vegeta didnt stay as SSJ to achive so called FPSSJ. The Ascendent SSJ proved > SSJ in powers but for some reason they trowed those form and Vegeta who didnt mastered SSJ in Cell games like Trunks are still using SSJ and not ASSJ which is stronger form for them in that time imo...

I believe that Vegeta (and probably Trunks as well) did indeed master SSJ the 2nd time they went into ROSAT (because Vegeta admitted that that's the best way once he saw Goku & Gohan) (he did have a FPSSJ aura in the Cell Games, at one moment at least). Not staying as SSJ after leaving ROSAT can be explained in various ways (e.g. he didn't need it since he spent the whole year in ROSAT, unlike Goku & Gohan who went out sooner and continued to train outside ROSAT, or he didn't want to show that he copied Goku & Gohan's method, etc.).

[Godo]

I don't believe that the heroes in movie 8 were their equivalents of the heroes in the Cell Games.
First of all, we have Trunks without his Saiyajin suit, and Gohan with his Pre-ROSAT clothes.
And also, it doesn't make sense that Gohan would fair better against Broly as an adult, when he got trashed by him as a kid. He was stronger as a kid after all.

[FNF]

Well, the thing is, Toei show Trunks and Vegeta as SSjin g2's and Trunks even goes SSjin g3 (I'm sure) so there is nothing really conclusive to draw from that. I think it's best just to think it's Cell games (anime) powers (Piccolo being a beast, Gohan being nerf'd compared to Goku etc).

edit: I just seen SSjin Gohan's sketch and he looks like that when he leaves the RoSaT. You could probably conclude that it's post-RoSaT just from that tbh.

[Godo]

I guess that you are right, when I think about it. Maybe in the Toei-verse, Gohan actually trained in those 7 years? I can't make sense out of it.

[Kaboom]

News flash: Movie continuity's a bitch.

So they've all but officially got Vegeta (and most likely Trunks) using Grade 2 in Movie 8 after all? Neat. Lends some credence to the idea I've gone by for Movie 8's "what if" setting, namely that Vegeta or Trunks managed to kill Cell (thus are still using SSjG2), then Goku and Gohan left the Room of Spirit and Time a little early (thus Goku > Gohan and neither are too much stronger than Vegeta).

[Piccolo Daimao]

And also, it doesn't make sense that Gohan would fair better against Broly as an adult, when he got trashed by him as a kid. He was stronger as a kid after all.

IIRC, in DBZ Movie #8, Gohan actually mentions that he'd gotten stronger since he was a kid. So, presumably, he actually trained in this universe and somehow reached SS2 too. And Gokuu's dead, even though Cell would've apparently died before Gohan became SS2, because this is a sequel to DBZ Movie #8, where Earth and the Z-Warriors are all relaxing with no sign of Cell's presence.

Or maybe, if I'm going to think about it really hard, DBZ Movie #10's actually set in a different universe to DBZ Movie #8, where the fight with Broli also happened differently and Cell may not have been killed before then, or Gohan had already reached SS2 and killed Cell (Vegeta and Trunks either never got FPSS and/or just continued using SSG2) by the time he fought Broli (and possibly, Gokuu defeated Broli with the TOEI PAWNCH!™ because Gohan couldn't use SS2 for whatever reason because...he's a pussy-bitch and/or got knocked out early), and then gone on to actually train in this universe.

Like you said: movie continuity's a bitch.

[Super Vegetto]

Yea its pointless to compere them in strenght. Only reason i compere them is because of diffrence in powers. I got facts that are saying Movie 8- Cell games and yet those are facts and not what is stated. The worst thing is that i cant see how to look at movies. I cant look at movies as part of manga/anime timeline because it obviously shows diffrence in powers sometimes. Example SSJ > Kamiccolo and Dende guardian before Cell even achived Perfect form... If anyone has the best way in how to look movies yust say it because some movies yust dont fit in manga/anime by powers and timeline of events because movies are diffrent. Something like DBGT that is not part of original db,dbz series and yet they have same characters..