Sensing Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta on Earth

[vegetaslegacy15]

I have a quick question. Why did none of the Z fighters sense/feel it when vegeta achieved SSJ2 on Earth? I mean its a lot of power you would think someone would feel the power.

[Dorexx]

SSJ2 or SSJ?

Assuming he achieved SSJ2 in the unseen time period between the Cell and Buu Arc, it's unknown if and how the others reacted to it. If you're talking about his SSJ2 when he was under Babidi's spell, then they did each mention something about it. Goku was surprised, Gohan sensed it, and Piccolo was surprised too.

If you meant SSJ, then you can assume it happened far away in space. But it was still in an unseen time period.

[vegetaslegacy15]

I mean SSJ2. IT just seems like everyone was surprised when he went SSJ2 after being possessed by Babidi. But he achieved SSJ2 during the seven year peace.

[Dorexx]

Did he?

Doesn't their reactions hint that he didn't? Especially Piccolo's.

[Bussani]

Did he?

Multiple guides say he did, and there are lines in the manga people take as proof of it (although they may be open to interpretation).

Really, though, this question could be asked at quite a few points. You'd think if Piccolo and Gohan knew how strong Goku was meant to be when he faced #19, everyone else on Earth must have picked up on it as well, but apparently they didn't. There's also no indication that Vegeta went into space in the manga, so while it's a decent explanation, it could potentially be another example.

[DarkPrince_92]

I'm pretty sure Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2 during the peace interim. When Goku flashed his Super Saiyan 2 power for a split second to destroy Yakon, Vegeta acknowledged Goku doing what he had done, surpassing the Super Saiyan wall. Also Vegeta not being overly surprise must suggest that it's no big deal because he had done it as well.

Vegeta going Super Saiyan the first time (because I saw it in the anime before the manga) I always assumed it was somewhere in space (which was a stupid ass story, a meteor defeated him, while back in the day he could easily destroy a planet). I have no idea how it actually happened.

[OzzyApu]

I'm pretty sure Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2 during the peace interim. When Goku flashed his Super Saiyan 2 power for a split second to destroy Yakon, Vegeta acknowledged Goku doing what he had done, surpassing the Super Saiyan wall. Also Vegeta not being overly surprise must suggest that it's no big deal because he had done it as well.

I can back this up. It's right after they're back in the ship that Vegeta thinks to himself over Goku surpassing SSJ. He'd know it from a short spark like that, so the reason that no one says anything about Vegeta doing the same is a little bit of a "?".

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think they just weren't paying attention. If not that, perhaps the gravity room blocks out certain exhibitions of ki.

[Bussani]

I think this question is sort of related: how on Earth did Trunks think Vegeta didn't know that he'd (supposedly) surpassed him? They were the only two people in a blank world. How could you miss it? Did he do it while Vegeta was asleep?

Hey, maybe everyone was asleep when Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2!

[vegetaslegacy15]

I think this question is sort of related: how on Earth did Trunks think Vegeta didn't know that he'd (supposedly) surpassed him? They were the only two people in a blank world. How could you miss it? Did he do it while Vegeta was asleep?

Hey, maybe everyone was asleep when Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2!

Exactly! It makes no sense. Maybe Trunks was very very far away from him when he broke the wall to Super Saiyan-jin third grade? Or maybe Vegeta did not care to much and simply didn't mention anything to him next time he saw him.

[Saiga]

Maybe Trunks unlocked it without actually transforming into it. Like after training in Grade 2, he knew Grade 3 was there. Upon transforming into Grade 2 for the first time in front of Gohan, Goku could immediately jump to Grade 3.

[Michsi]

I didn't really get the feeling that they were surprised at Vegeta having achieved SSJ2 (at least, not from what I remember) . The only part you could interpret that way was when Piccolo comments on his power, but again, he didn't seem particulary surprised, so I'd say it's more like a confirmation of something he might have suspected.
It might have been hinted at when Vegeta tells Gohan that he wants to fight him at the tournament (though he does also comment on Gohan having grown weaker die to lack of training as an advantage, so there is that too)

For me, neither Vegeta nor Gohan not knowing that Trunks and Goten could o SSJ seems way harder to explain.

[Fox666]

I think this question is sort of related: how on Earth did Trunks think Vegeta didn't know that he'd (supposedly) surpassed him? They were the only two people in a blank world. How could you miss it? Did he do it while Vegeta was asleep?

Hey, maybe everyone was asleep when Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2!

Why Tenshinhan was surprised by Goku power as a Super Saiyan against No.19 if he has been training on Earth with that form for 3 years? Why only Piccolo and Gohan realized there was something wrong with Goku against No.19? How nobody knew Vegeta could also transform in Super Saiyan? And how Tenshinhan didn't realize Piccolo was around the level of a Super Saiyan? Why would Vegeta not know of Trunks' grade III? And why Trunks not know that Vegeta also achieved that form? What about Piccolo surprise at Vegeta in Super Saiyan 2 form? If even at the Kaioshin planet they can sense Goku's Ki as a Super Saiyan 3, everyone on Earth (and the whole universe) should know about that form, right?

[LiamKav]

Was he surprised at Vegeta turning SSJ2, or was it more surprise at how powerful he was? Not all SSJ2's are equal, after all.

[Super Vegetto]

Why didnt no one senced kids in ssj form.

Reason is because they are born SSJ. They have SSJ form as natural form as far i can see so i belive they are FPSSJ.

No on senced Gotens ki because he didnt actuly powered up to 50x when he tranformed. Probably it only comed naturaly and he couldnt see diffrence. Same happend to Trunks.

Later Trunks in gravity chamber actuly tranforms with incrise so Vegeta is wondering that he didnt senced his ki before.


Basicly they can tranform and acces power by will and not automaticly 50x. Btw i belive that saiyans didnt even tryed to get used to SSJ form before so until time chamber they used SSJ as normal incrise like always.


No one sencing Vegeta SSJ2 is probably because Vegeta was on some other planet. No other explanation for him.

[DarkPrince_92]

Was he surprised at Vegeta turning SSJ2, or was it more surprise at how powerful he was? Not all SSJ2's are equal, after all.

Weren't those two equal at SSJ2? I guess Goku thought he powered up enough to handle Vegeta, but then Vegeta dished out the same amount of power. Goku's thought's: "Goddammit... gonna be a long one..."

[Fox666]

Was he surprised at Vegeta turning SSJ2, or was it more surprise at how powerful he was? Not all SSJ2's are equal, after all.

Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3
Context: as Vegeta fights Boo
Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”

[hleV]

I guess nobody really paid attention to sudden ki explosions (SSJ/SSJ2) at a time of peace. I don't think it catches up to them automatically, unless it's a power as great as SSJ3 Goku's.

[Fox666]

But they could sense Freeza's Ki from space.

[Hitiro]

Maybe they weren't surprised by Vegeta going SSJ2, but rather his strength. If you think about it Babidi's spell had increased Vegeta's power to put him on par with Goku so it wasn't a surprise that he turned SSJ2 but rather the strength he had when he transformed.