How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians?
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How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians?
Since the 2 of them were always sent off to invade planets, I couldn't imagine them being briefed about those sort of things, much less knowing how they would look like.
As far as I can tell, the planet Namek was never really taken notice by Freeza's empire, prior to his interest in the Dragon Balls.
Is it possible that other Namekians were sent away from the planet during its climate crisis like Kami was; became rogue like "Lord Slug", or even joined Freeza's forces?
As far as I can tell, the planet Namek was never really taken notice by Freeza's empire, prior to his interest in the Dragon Balls.
Is it possible that other Namekians were sent away from the planet during its climate crisis like Kami was; became rogue like "Lord Slug", or even joined Freeza's forces?
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
Going to take the simple route, much like I did with Radditz remembering Goku, and just say that maybe they've heard of Namek offhand? Might be a Funi dub line, but recall Freeza remarking in his fight with Nail that his prior information on Namekians never included regeneration. Which implies prior information in Freeza's group exists.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
That's an interesting theory and certainly possible. Not that this necessarily invalidates that theory, I agree with BlazingFiddlesticks. Vegeta and Nappa would have just heard about them traveling around. The universe is a small place.Is it possible that other Namekians were sent away from the planet during its climate crisis like Kami was; became rogue like "Lord Slug", or even joined Freeza's forces?
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You know, it is strange that Nappa recognizes Piccolo as Namekian just by looking at him, and Vegeta agrees with him. Maybe they have seen at least one Namekian before Piccolo in person.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
My theory is that Freeza and his cohorts (which, by extension, would include Vegeta and Nappa) discovered and surveyed Namek and its inhabitants from space but rejected it or gave it very little mind because the planet was a desolate ball of shit and there would be no "clientele" to resell the planet to, so they ignored it. This is why Freeza and his men knew what and where Namek was and how he was able to get there instantly.
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Not only that, but as far as the Latin Dub goes, the Namekians knew about the Saiyans in turn too. I don't remember right now who said it, maybe Guru or another elder. He identified them as relentless warriors or something along the lines...
I agree with Deep Thought that the planet didn't have any value (I believe Frieza even states it) and that's why they had been spared so far.
EDIT: Yeah, just checked.
I agree with Deep Thought that the planet didn't have any value (I believe Frieza even states it) and that's why they had been spared so far.
EDIT: Yeah, just checked.
lol Guru even knows about the Super Saiyans.Guru: That's one of Katkas' children! Incredible! I didn't think he'd make it. He belongs to the Dragon Tribe. He was a genius in making Dragon Balls. Ah yes! How did he die?
Krillin: He was killed by the Saiya-jin here, Vegita. ((lol nop, Nappa))
Guru: By a Saiyajin? They're very strong but the child was one ofthe strongest of the tribe. Was the Saiyajin who killed him a... Super Saiyajin?
Krillin: EH? A Super what?
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Yeah, the Great Elder knew about the legend of the Super Saiyan.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
I like to think that the planet of strong guys who Raditz was wanting Goku's help to conquer was in fact Namek, and that's why Vegeta and Nappa recognized Piccolo as Namekian.
Yeah, that's a dub line.BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Might be a Funi dub line, but recall Freeza remarking in his fight with Nail that his prior information on Namekians never included regeneration. Which implies prior information in Freeza's group exists.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
It's interesting how Nappa and Vegeta were able to immediately recognize him by race, but not Raditz.
You would think that the three stuck together a lot after Planet Vegeta's destruction. Especially if we were to presume Namek were their next target, it seems odd that such a fact would get past him.
You would think that the three stuck together a lot after Planet Vegeta's destruction. Especially if we were to presume Namek were their next target, it seems odd that such a fact would get past him.
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If so, that would be one heck of a coincidence. Raditz (who didn't seem to recognize Piccolo as a Namekian) being killed...by a member of the same race he was planning to conquer.Herms wrote:I like to think that the planet of strong guys who Raditz was wanting Goku's help to conquer was in fact Namek, and that's why Vegeta and Nappa recognized Piccolo as Namekian.
But if that was the case, surely Vegeta and Nappa would've at least said something other than, "Oh hey, so this guy's a Namekian."
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
Didn't Vegeta also say he'd heard that Namekians had special mystical powers, or something along those lines? It seems like people not from Earth have knowledge about other planets and races. Come to think of it, we know the Namekians have been around for a long, long time (since Elder Kaioshin talked to them before being sealed), and we know that they had spaceships at one point, so it's not that strange that they might be known around the universe.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
I now have something to add to my Live Action Movie notes. (Don't worry, the only idea in there that's actually mine is how the mafuuba works. )Herms wrote:I like to think that the planet of strong guys who Raditz was wanting Goku's help to conquer was in fact Namek, and that's why Vegeta and Nappa recognized Piccolo as Namekian.
Also, I missed the c in fact at first, and was scrolling up, so assumed it was a comment on a specific Fat Namek(ian).
I was about to make the above idea my official fanon, then someone had to go and ruin it by bring up facts from the series. Elder Kaioshin talking to the Namekians leaves plenty of time for them to become known across the universe.
(Although, millions of years ago? No evolution? Not just a little?)
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
I think it's another plot hole or they could have heard stories about Planet Namek from other alien races in the galaxy. Which could be why they knew about the Dragon Balls on Planet Namek.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
Guess Raditz happened to not know about Namekians or not care about them enough to recognize Piccolo as one.
Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
Still, the big mystery that remains is them actually seeing a Namekian with their own eyes before.
I suppose it's possible that such information could've been collected of the Namekians by Freeza before then, which would include an actual image of them. Though there seemed to be a few other things that weren't given any explanation yet they had knowledge of, such as somehow knowing when a full moon was supposed to set on Earth and planning their arrival to meet it.
I suppose it's possible that such information could've been collected of the Namekians by Freeza before then, which would include an actual image of them. Though there seemed to be a few other things that weren't given any explanation yet they had knowledge of, such as somehow knowing when a full moon was supposed to set on Earth and planning their arrival to meet it.
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Well, the Saiyans must have known that Earth had a moon to send Goku there to begin with. Freeza's guys must have information on a lot of places.
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Re: How would Nappa & Vegeta have knowledge of the Namekians
Here's what the scenes in volumes 2 and 3 (Viz edition) say.
Nappa: "He's a Namekian..."
Vegeta: "Looks like it... not so strange that Raditz was beaten then..."
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Vegeta: "They say these slimy Namek gastropod guys possess strange powers even beyond their extraordinary fighting abilities... even sorcery. You're the one who made those Dragon Balls... aren't you?!"
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Vegeta: "I never believed the legend of the Namekian power spheres... but if Kakarrot's really returned from the dead, then it's true!! That means there must be more balls on this fool's home planet. A little rampage through Namek would be a lovely way to wind down after the destruction of Earth, hmm?"
These lines, particularly their wording, insinuates that Vegeta's knowledge of Namekians extends far beyond "they are these green guys." The use of the word "legend" and the use of the phrase "They say these..." insinuates the he heard it from a secondary source. He could have inferred it from Raditz's conversation, but that's a stretch:
Piccolo: "Ass. Son Goku will not be dead for long."
Raditz: "He... What... !?"
Piccolo: "The seven Dragon Balls, my friend... They can grant any wish. They can even bring the dead back to life."
That's a lot to assume that Vegeta would even assume that Piccolo is the creator of the Dragon Balls, let alone that his entire race have magical abilities to be able to create these Dragon Balls, and that another set of them could exist on Namek.
Nappa: "He's a Namekian..."
Vegeta: "Looks like it... not so strange that Raditz was beaten then..."
...
Vegeta: "They say these slimy Namek gastropod guys possess strange powers even beyond their extraordinary fighting abilities... even sorcery. You're the one who made those Dragon Balls... aren't you?!"
...
Vegeta: "I never believed the legend of the Namekian power spheres... but if Kakarrot's really returned from the dead, then it's true!! That means there must be more balls on this fool's home planet. A little rampage through Namek would be a lovely way to wind down after the destruction of Earth, hmm?"
These lines, particularly their wording, insinuates that Vegeta's knowledge of Namekians extends far beyond "they are these green guys." The use of the word "legend" and the use of the phrase "They say these..." insinuates the he heard it from a secondary source. He could have inferred it from Raditz's conversation, but that's a stretch:
Piccolo: "Ass. Son Goku will not be dead for long."
Raditz: "He... What... !?"
Piccolo: "The seven Dragon Balls, my friend... They can grant any wish. They can even bring the dead back to life."
That's a lot to assume that Vegeta would even assume that Piccolo is the creator of the Dragon Balls, let alone that his entire race have magical abilities to be able to create these Dragon Balls, and that another set of them could exist on Namek.