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Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:04 pm

The title pretty much says it all. I can't seem to get a definitive answer as to whether Goku's Saiyan name is Kakarot or Kakarotto. The thought occurred to me a while back that Kakarotto was probably just Kakarot as pronounced with a Japanese accent (much like "Doragon Baru Zetto"). I've even seen the subtitles switch back and forth on this. So...not a huge deal, but just out of curiosity, which one is it?
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:07 pm

Kakarotto because the name Vegetto makes more sense that way.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:10 pm

Kakarot isn't wrong, but I use Kakarotto because of Vegetto.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by hleV » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:11 pm

Kakarot because to at the end is unnecessary.
Vegetto because he's too amazing to have his name altered.

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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Puto » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:30 pm

I personally use Kakarrot (with two Rs) to bring out the 'carrot' pun more.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Herms » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:57 pm

It's カカロット, which is directly Romanized as Kakarotto, but as you suspected the "to" at the end there is a quirk of Japanese phonetics (the English word "carrot", for instance, is written in Japanese as カャロット/kyarotto). So you can drop it to match the pun, or keep it because of Vegetto-related confusion. Some people also double the r or use it c instead of k to make it further match the pun.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Puto » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:39 pm

Using a 'c' isn't quite right, imo, because it doesn't correctly reflect the kya->ka change going from kyarotto to ka(ka)rotto.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Raykugen » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:41 pm

If the name would be Kakarot, Vegetto name would haven't sense
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:44 pm

"Kakarot" (or "Kakarrot", to embellish the pun) arguably makes more technical sense from an English standpoint, since the "-tto" is only necessary for the Japanese phonetics, but I and numerous others personally use "Kakarotto" regardless because "Vegetto" doesn't make sense otherwise. It's one of my eventually failing attempts at complete consistency with my naming scheme.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Chuquita » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:48 pm

Kakarrotto because I like how that looks best. XD
Ah, but seriously, keeping the "o" at the end is what preserves "Vegetto", the two rr's preserve the "carrot" pun. I've seen it spelled with C's before (Cacarrotto) but only on the covers of doujinshi; not even the fanfiction of the era I originally started in used "C", everybody used "K".
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by dprez » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:18 pm

I like Kakarotto because that's how they say it and it matches up with the origin of Vegettos name. If the combined form of Goku and Vegeta is called Vegetto based on their original saiyan names, then it's Kakarotto for me all day every day. Sounds and looks better anyway. It does seam unnecessary, but I like it.

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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by matt0044 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:24 pm

Kakarrot, obviously when speaking English. And really, I don't see the big deal in Vegerot since it's practically the best English equivalent. Vegetto isn't bad per say but for consistency sake, Vegerot does make sense.

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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by hleV » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:45 pm

I have no knowledge of Japanese, but unlike Kakarotto, Vegetto is not a pun of anything but a made-up word, so if one didn't know that it's made out of Vegeta and Kakarotto, would removing to from Vegetto still be an acceptable thing to do?

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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by soulnova » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:55 pm

When I started reading DBZ fics in english I was always confused when they used "Kakarot". In Latin America he has always been "KAKAROTO!".
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:04 pm

Always wondered, what's the reasoning behind the o's and u's on words? Always heard it was pronunciation.
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Bussani » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:14 pm

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Always wondered, what's the reasoning behind the o's and u's on words? Always heard it was pronunciation.
All Japanese characters except "n" end in vowels. It's literally impossible to write a word that ends with a "t" using a Japanese writing system because there are only five t-sounds to work with: ta, chi, tsu, te, and to. You can also make things like "ti" in katakana, but nothing that ends in a "t".
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Zestanor » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:07 am

hleV wrote:I have no knowledge of Japanese, but unlike Kakarotto, Vegetto is not a pun of anything but a made-up word, so if one didn't know that it's made out of Vegeta and Kakarotto, would removing to from Vegetto still be an acceptable thing to do?
But "Veget" appears to be just a shortening of Vegeta, so the "Kakarotto" part is left out. Kakarrot certainly got the short end of the stick in this name merger; all he got was the arbitrary final syllable, while Vegeta got the rest of it.

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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by Puto » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:34 am

Technically, Vegetto got two syllables each from Kakarrot and Vegeta, it's just not as easy to see when romanised...

be-ji-[long]-ta (bejiita - Vegeta)
ka-ka-ro-[sokuon]-to (kakarotto - Kakarrot)
be-ji-[sokuon]-to (bejitto - Vegetto)
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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by hleV » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:11 am

Zestanor wrote:
hleV wrote:I have no knowledge of Japanese, but unlike Kakarotto, Vegetto is not a pun of anything but a made-up word, so if one didn't know that it's made out of Vegeta and Kakarotto, would removing to from Vegetto still be an acceptable thing to do?
But "Veget" appears to be just a shortening of Vegeta, so the "Kakarotto" part is left out. Kakarrot certainly got the short end of the stick in this name merger; all he got was the arbitrary final syllable, while Vegeta got the rest of it.
Not sure what exactly you're disagreeing with.

I'm saying that while to in Kakarotto is unnecessary, that might not be the case for Vegetto. Or I'm just being an ignorant fool.

There's Kakarotto. It's a pun for carrot in English. to is unnecessary at the end of the word.
There's Vegetto. It isn't a pun for anything but a completely made-up word. Do you drop to for a name not based on anything? Try to not think of Vegetto as Vegeta + Kakarotto, try to think of it as a random made-up Japanese word.
Or I'll ask differently. If instead of Vegetto, Goku & Vegeta fusion's name was Gevetto, would the to still be dropped?

I'm trying to justfiy keeping Vegetto while having Kakarot. Without knowing Japanese one bit!

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Re: Is It Kakarot Or Kakarotto?

Post by songohan619 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:37 am

I`m not good at Japanese, but doesn't they technically use "Kakarot" in both languages, just that the Japanese can`t say it without putting and extra "o" at the end? I'm not good in Japanese, so I`m just guessing here...
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