Dragon Ball without Vegeta

[Titan]

Let's say, Akira Toriyama decides to Kill Vegeta in the Sayan saga.

What would have happened to the other characters? I mean, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha.
How do you see the future of the other characters in the manga?
Do you think that Toriyama would make them more powerful?

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku, Gohan, and Kuririn all die on Namek. Gurd kills both Gohan, and Kuririn because Vegeta wasn't there to cut his fucking head off then Goku dies in Ginyu's body because Vegeta wasn't there to beat up Ginyu.

The End.

[Rocketman]

Earlier than that. Kwi, Dodoria or Zarbon would've killed off Gohan, Krillin and Bulma.

[Gokuden]

Goku dies of a viral heart disease because there's nobody to give him an antidote.
Also maybe BULMA dies like others have said.
Without Vegeta or Bulma, Trunks wouldn't have been conceived.

[Mystic Gohan]

What makes you guys think that Gohan and Krillin and Bulma would be spotted by any of Freeza's men? They wait for Goku to get there and start working from there. They would still probably die, but only because Goku doesn't get the zenkai from losing to Vegeta, when he's in Ginyu's body.

[TobyS]

I'm pretty sure the OP meant how would he have continued the story without him obviously he wouldn't have everyone die.

Kiwi came to the planet following Vegeta so he wouldn't be there.

They'd get as far as escaping from Dodoria but then I don't know where it would go.

Nail could kill Zarbon and Dodoria if he got them away from Freeza, and I'm not sure he'd bother calling the Ginyu force in without Vegeta and having not had the in between conflicts.

He might have simply wrote Freeza as being weaker/having less forms.

The gang may have been able to gather the DB's and evacuate Namek before having to fight Freeza

[Hellspawn28]

If Gohan, Bluma and Kuririn did die on Namek then Goku could have turn SSj and might have killed Freeza before he blows up the Planet. Without Vegeta then Trunks would have never been born and no one would have stop both #17 & #18.

[JulieYBM]

I like the idea of Nail being the one to kill Zarbon and Dodoria in Vegeta's place. Nail would also probably be forced to help fight the Ginyuu, too. Of course, that leaves the Grand Elder to talk Freeza down from attacking on his own. "Kill me and the Dragon Balls becomes useless!" "Damn, well then how about I kill that brat I saw on the way here?" "Do that and I'll never help." "I'll make it slow and painful." The fate of the universe would come down to the Grand Elder's stomach for seeing the fruit of his loins plucked. Then again, by the time Freeza finds Dende would Gokuu have arrived? Would Gokuu have beaten the Reacoom and Burta in time for Nail to try and save Dende? Maybe Nail does arrive and slows Freeza down long enough for Gokuu to finish off Commander Ginyuu, heal in an the newest model of healing tank, and confront Freeza? All the meanwhile Polunga having brought Piccolo back. Hmmm...

[Titan]

I'm pretty sure the OP meant how would he have continued the story without him obviously he wouldn't have everyone die.

Yes, that's what i meant.
I meant how Toriyama would handle the other characters.
Do you think that he would make them more powerful?

[Jackal puFF]

I bet Akira would have had Nail help out Krillin and Gohan and actually fight with them. Either that or make Gohan and Krillin stronger somehow. Maybe have Krillin kill dodoria with a kienzan or something..

[Ringworm128]

As the Toribot said, "Dragonball is one of those series where if you change anything everything changes and the end result is everyone getting killed".

[TheMightyOzaru]

There is no DBZ without Vegeta.

[Hellspawn28]

I guess AT might have Gohan travel to the past to everyone about #17 & #18. Knowing Gohan then he would have let Goku finish off Freeza on Earth and try not ruin the timeline. I also guess in the Buu Saga that Babidi would have mind control Piccolo if he didn't turn into stone.

[sonikku956]

Why does everyone keep saying that the future events will happen? What if Toriyama killed off Vegeta, and the Freeza, Android, and Cell saga cease to exist within the universe? Remember, Dragon Ball since Fry Pan Mountain was written on a whim.

[Hellspawn28]

It would be interesting how the movies and GT would play out without Vegeta. I guess Goku would have killed Janemba by screaming insults directly at him and Bebi would have taken over Gohan's body instead. I guess Vegeta would have escape out of Hell in the Super 17 saga or maybe team up with Cell and Freeza in Hell.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Why does everyone keep saying that the future events will happen? What if Toriyama killed off Vegeta, and the Freeza, Android, and Cell saga cease to exist within the universe? Remember, Dragon Ball since Fry Pan Mountain was written on a whim.

Fine Ill rephrase. There is no current DBZ we all know and love. Plus Vegeta was a relatable character that went through a lot of development. It would really suck to see him go.

[Thanos]

I can't imagine Yamcha or Kuririn's absence being too consequential.

[CaBrPi]

I can't imagine Yamcha or Kuririn's absence being too consequential.

Without Yamcha, Bulma remains a carrot, and Goku is beaten to death by the Rabbit Gang.

Alternatively, Bulma remains a carrot, and Goku dies of dehydration in the desert.

Either way, everybody's screwed when Raditz shows up.

Without Kuririn, there's nobody to throw the Genki-Dama at Vegeta, so Vegeta kills them all. There's probably something earlier on, but you get the idea.

[soulnova]

I don't think you realize these repercussions of taking Vegeta out of the story. If Vegeta wasn't alive, everyone would have died BEFORE the end of DB. Why?

Without Vegeta, Raditz would have come looking for Kakarot on Earth way, WAY earlier because Nappa and him needed more help to purge the planets. Let's give Goku enough time to have been at the end of his training with Roshi and Krillin. Raditz arrives, kills the old man and the bald midget. Goku can't do shit at this level and Raditz simply beats the living crap out of Kakarot and starts purging the planet.

I don't think Bulma can search for the Dragon Balls as some of them were already being hunted by the Red Ribbon. In the best case scenario, Raditz obliterates the Red Ribbon army + Taoi Pai Pai first and inadvertently allows Bulma to gather the rest of the Dragonballs in hopes to stop this new menace. She would need Yamcha's help for most of the way, specially on the Pirate Cave which I doubt they can survive easily. Let's say that they gather the dragonballs... What do they wish then? Shenlong will tell them he can't kill Raditz. Maybe send him to the sun? lol? Bulma and Yamcha find Goku wounded and help him back to health. Goku gets a Zenkai.


In any case, Nappa would come afterwards to see what the hell happened to Raditz, Goku's Zenkai is not enough even transformed as a giant ape and it would be game over.

Unless Nappa also engages on slave trading no one would be left alive.

[CaBrPi]

The thread is about what would happen if Kuririn had killed Vegeta with Yajirobe's sword, not if Vegeta never existed.