Freeza "born from his father alone"
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
That's pretty interesting. I remember an old Jump issue mentioning how there were "very few of them in existence", while also mentioning that Freeza was a mutant. Would like to know where Cold was mutated from.
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Cold pooping out a Freeza sized egg...yeah dont need that mental image.
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Could be like Piccolo Daimao where he spits up an egg instead.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Cold pooping out a Freeza sized egg...yeah dont need that mental image.
Not any better mind you, but still.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
I really wish this would have been written more clearly when the interview was conducted. The two interpretations of the line in question would change things about their race considerably.
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Maybe this interview will result in Toriyama-sensei getting pestered enough to map all this nonsense out once and for all.
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Which may also result in him giving us half assed answers so people get off his back.Duo wrote:Maybe this interview will result in Toriyama-sensei getting pestered enough to map all this nonsense out once and for all.
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That would thoroughly amuse me.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Which may also result in him giving us half assed answers so people get off his back.Duo wrote:Maybe this interview will result in Toriyama-sensei getting pestered enough to map all this nonsense out once and for all.
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I guess it's possible that there was more members of Freeza's race, but Freeza and Cold kill them all. Cold and Freeza wanted to rule the universe, maybe their race was trying to stop them from taking over the universe.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
The way it's phrased in Japanese, I think the latter is more likely. That is, "from his father alone" is modifying the traits Freeza was born with, rather than Freeza's birth itself. But, as noted, it's not entirely clear.Mystic Buu wrote:It is said in translator notes: It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
While we're on the subject, this is probably a good time to bring up how Freeza simply mentions his "parent" (oya) being the only one prior to Goku to ever get dust on him, even though sometimes the line gets translated as "parents".
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I was actually curious about that, because Viz translated it as a plural. If it really does indicate he only had a single parent, then Toriyama-sensei may have actually had this sorted out in his head 20 years ago and just never said anything. Of course, that would seem a bit out of character. Still a possibility, though.Herms wrote:The way it's phrased in Japanese, I think the latter is more likely. That is, "from his father alone" is modifying the traits Freeza was born with, rather than Freeza's birth itself. But, as noted, it's not entirely clear.Mystic Buu wrote:It is said in translator notes: It is unclear whether Toriyama means Freeza was born from only one parent, or emphasizing that only Cold carried these traits.
While we're on the subject, this is probably a good time to bring up how Freeza simply mentions his "parent" (oya) being the only one prior to Goku to ever get dust on him, even though sometimes the line gets translated as "parents".
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But isn't that just that there is no plural in Japanese?
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Freeza said that the "only people who ever caused him pain were his parentS" so who knows. Maybe King Cold does produce asexually but there are still "females" one of which could be Freeza's "mother"
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Japanese doesn't have plurals that way. What he said in Japanese could be parsed as either 'parent' or 'parents'.Dbzfan94 wrote:Freeza said that the "only people who ever caused him pain were his parentS" so who knows.
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Knowing this now it seems that Linda Young's Freeza wasn't all that bad after all.
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So much for my fanfiction characters of Queen Frigida, Freeza's sister Icelina, and Aunt Nippy.
But at least their puppies Zero and Snowcone are safe.
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Terrible acting is still terrible.dbboxkaifan wrote:Knowing this now it seems that Linda Young's Freeza wasn't all that bad after all.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
Its not at all mentioned wether or not they even can reproduce but I guess they probably do something similar to Piccolo and purge themselves into new incarnates after they hatch.. though its weird that males would be dominant this way.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
Calling 親/oya "singular" was an overstatement, but it is in contrast to something like 両親/ryoushin, which specifically means both parents.Fizzer wrote:But isn't that just that there is no plural in Japanese?
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
Say, aren't there multiple reptilian species that can give birth without a second gender? Maybe Freeza's kin is like that.
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Re: Freeza "born from his father alone"
If you're referring to parthenogenesis, then it's not just reptilians that are capable, but insects and even some mammals too. Either way, though, that's a little different - as offspring produced via parthenogenesis are genetically identical to their mother, and saving for the occasional mutation with some male characteristics, always completely female. It's basically a last resort survival instinct that kicks in when unable to find a mate - but in some cases, such as the Indian Stick Insect, it has actually led to the males in the species totally dying out.sonikku956 wrote:Say, aren't there multiple reptilian species that can give birth without a second gender? Maybe Freeza's kin is like that.
I think it's obvious looking at Freeza and Cold side-by-side that he's not a clone of his father, nurturistic/environmental changes aside.
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Asexual Freeza complicates all the Freeza/Vegeta fanfiction and fanart.