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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by SaiyaJedi » Tue May 27, 2014 10:38 pm

I object to the use of "tuxedo" as a catch-all to refer to anything from a regular suit up through various permutations of party clothes. Goku is wearing a suit with a fedora when he goes to the 21st Budokai, not a tuxedo. Vegeta's and Yamcha's "tuxedos" are also regular suits.

Also, the "Eastern Tradition" looks are costumes from Journey to the West. Goku is Son Wukong (his namesake), Gohan is Zhu Bajie / Cho Hakkai / "Pigsy", Piccolo is Sha Wujing / Sha Gojo / "Sandy", and Kuririn is Sanzang / Sanzo / Tripitaka.
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by SuicidalZerg » Wed May 28, 2014 12:00 am

Are you planning on including any other characters? Like Kuririn, Bulma, or Gohan?
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Cold Skin » Wed May 28, 2014 6:51 am

Makaioshin wrote:I think Yamcha might be the male with the second most "bonus" costumes. I don't know where you draw the line but the Battle of Gods costumes and even the initial GT costumes were done by Toriyama. There are also the Cross Epoch costumes. Vegeta's pirate emperor look is something I've always wanted to see in games.

Also here is one Goku costume I think you missed. That flickr account has a lot of image scans.
Anything shown to be directly drawn by Toriyama will do. So yeah, that includes even the designs for Battle of Gods and GT, as well as Cross Epoch.
Since I don't have all scans needed, I might add some of those later to the various characters, so your links are definately helpful.

For now, I can ensure that characters have most of the costumes, since I have access to all manga chapters, all title pages, all illustrations from the first Daizenshuu, all covers from the Kanzenban and a few pictures from the more recent Chogashuu.
So I can safely say that even with just what I have, all characters will have 95% of their costumes shown, and I do intend to complete the 5% remaining in time!
Insertclevername wrote:Image

Isn't this Goten, not Gokuu?
I hesitated as well on this, but I thought "why would it be Goten to celebrate anything, instead of the usual Goku?" especially since the page also shows kid Goku and a SD version of Goku. And then, the description of this picture in Daizenshuu 1 says "Son Goku celebrates his 400th appearance".

But I agree that it's not easy to make the difference.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote: Technically, I think Piccolo has 5 costumes? It might just be an art style issue over time, but Piccolo "Junior" has a rounded neck collar on his dogi and then later on gains the v-neck you have posted after he stops being an evil jerk. lol
It's totally possible, I'll check it out. A different neck collar would definately count as another costume, so I'll add it if that's the case.
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Cold Skin wrote:6 - BROKEN LEG, HOME - After Ten Shin Han has broken his leg during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
That was the 22nd BT mate :wink:

Great job anyway man :clap:
Thanks! It's been modified.
It was predictable that there would be mistakes here and there, since I don't have every single detail in my head.
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SaiyaJedi wrote:I object to the use of "tuxedo" as a catch-all to refer to anything from a regular suit up through various permutations of party clothes. Goku is wearing a suit with a fedora when he goes to the 21st Budokai, not a tuxedo. Vegeta's and Yamcha's "tuxedos" are also regular suits.

Also, the "Eastern Tradition" looks are costumes from Journey to the West. Goku is Son Wukong (his namesake), Gohan is Zhu Bajie / Cho Hakkai / "Pigsy", Piccolo is Sha Wujing / Sha Gojo / "Sandy", and Kuririn is Sanzang / Sanzo / Tripitaka.
Thanks!

About the tuxedos, I tried to find a same word to describe those kinds of "good-looking suits for important events", but it looks like I was wrong, from what you say I take it that tuxedo is a specific type of suit as opposed to any "wedding-ready" suit.
From what you say, I guess I can simply rename those with just the word "suit" to cover it.

And about "Eastern Tradition", I thought it was from Journey to the West, but I was not sure, so I deliberately stayed vague to avoid saying lies.
Now that I know that it is indeed confirmed as being inspired by Journey to the West, I can rename them properly.
SuicidalZerg wrote:Are you planning on including any other characters? Like Kuririn, Bulma, or Gohan?
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Cold Skin » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:33 am

Yamcha's nine bonus costumes have been added, and he doesn't have as many costumes as I thought since he doesn't appear that much in Toriyama's artworks, especially as the story goes by. And when he does, he often has his regular costume of the moment.

VARIOUS CORRECTIONS:

- Son Goku has a new Bonus Costume that Makaioshin showed me ("Rainbow Guy", added at the end of the section).

- Piccolo now has a fifth Story Costume as TheDevilsCorpse pointed at a noticeable evolution in his battle costume as the story goes on, which is therefore divided into two variations now.

- The Monkey King pointed at a mistake I made, confusing the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai on Yamcha's descriptions.

- Still about Yamcha, and because of that mix-up with numbers, I had unwillingly skipped the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai: Yamcha's two looks for that tournament have now been added in-between the other story costumes to fill the gap. The text about his scars has been moved accordingly.

- SaiyaJedi (how many times do you see him mentioned by his user name nowadays?) pointed at the fact that "tuxedo" was not a proper term for various costumes, so it was changed to "suit" all over.

- SaiyaJedi confirmed that the "Eastern tradition" costumes are from Journey to the West, so names and descriptions have been changed accordingly.

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by DNA » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:55 am

Great work, it's nice to see a full list, especially with the bonus outfits.
On a first look, I noticed that you missed Postboy Piccolo and Saiyan Armor Goku from Raditz exposition. Also maybe scouter Goku from when Ginyu had possession of his body?

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Herms » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:44 pm

Insertclevername wrote:Image

Isn't this Goten, not Gokuu?
It's an illustration made to celebrate DB's 400th chapter, so it actually predates Goten by a few months (the Boo arc begins in chapter 421).
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Attitudefan » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:02 pm

This is a very good list and shows how much Toriyama put effort into it! I find costumes for characters can be tough but Toriyama seems very versatile! Awesome list!
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:42 am

Cold Skin wrote:
YAMCHA
STORY COSTUMES (15)
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6 - BROKEN LEG, HOME - After Ten Shin Han has broken his leg during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Yamcha has no choice but to stay home and rest, even as the dramatic events related to Demon King Piccolo are going on. Staying at Kame House, he wears very comfortable clothes so that he can rest properly, and wanders around barefeet.
7 - BROKEN LEG, OUTSIDE - Still recovering from his broken leg, Yamcha is shown to wear a simple and comfortable costume, yet more presentable to receive guests. His clothes getting back from "comfort-only" to more standard costumes might be a sign of his progressing recovery.
Poor Yamcha, his left leg finally heals only to have his right leg broken off-screen :P
BONUS COSTUMES (9)
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7 - SUMMER BEACH - With shorts and a sleeveless T-shirt, this costume is ideal to withstand hot temperatures and play on the beach with friends! (in this picture, Toriyama seems to have revised several times the length of the T-shirt on the arm, which explains the uncolored part.)
If you are talking about that white part on his right shoulder(left in the pic from our point of view), tha's just the top of the watermelon Krillin's wearing.

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Cold Skin » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:19 am

PAGE 1 >> The Son family
PAGE 2 >> Other characters.
KAIO SHIN
STORY COSTUME
BONUS COSTUMES (2)

KRILIN
STORY COSTUMES (15)
BONUS COSTUMES (10)
PICCOLO
STORY COSTUMES (5)
BONUS COSTUMES (3)
VEGETA
STORY COSTUMES (13)
BONUS COSTUMES (2)
VIDEL
STORY COSTUMES (9)
BONUS COSTUMES (2)
YAMCHA
STORY COSTUMES (17)
BONUS COSTUMES (9)
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Cold Skin » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:37 am

A few news:

- I reached the typing limit, so I had to divide the characters into 2 pages for now. And probably more in the future, I'll probably set the posts and pages up by groups (good guys, bad guys, families, Saiyans, Earthlings, etc... We'll see.)

- SON GOHAN has been added (story costumes only). It's the grown-up version, as the other versions will likely be called "SON GOHAN (Kid)" and "SON GOHAN (Cell Game)". Bonus costumes coming soon.

- KAIO SHIN has been added.

- SON GOKU now has his version when possessed by Ginyu as suggested by DNA.

- Battle of Gods has been added for SON GOHAN, SON GOKU and YAMCHA. Regardless of how they look in the final film, the designs are still part of what the author envisions as the manga storyline and his vision of the characters. However, though he made design for GT, I classify Battle of Gods as in the continuity of the manga (Toriyama said himself that he created his stuff in BOG exactly as if continuing the manga), while I classify GT designs as "a possible continuity", and therefore in the bonus categories, not in the "manga main story" section.

- A mistake on my part has been pointed out by dbgtFO and corrected in "Summer Beach" YAMCHA's description.

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:11 am

For Piccolo and Goku, wouldn't their driving costumes be one? Or dies it not count because it's anime filler?

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Luso Saiyan » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:26 am

Cold Skin wrote:COMPROMISE - Kaio Shin's definitive manga colors are a compromise between Toriyama's original vision and his revision of the character's look.
This one was a surprise on the Full Color version. I still don't understand why they didn't use the one from the Kanzenban. Am I to assume Toriyama approved this revision?

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Post by Cold Skin » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:47 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:For Piccolo and Goku, wouldn't their driving costumes be one? Or dies it not count because it's anime filler?
For now this thread focuses only on costumes designed by Toriyama and shown on drawings by Toriyama himself.
And that's already quite a lot to cover, so let's not add more than the (updated) source material for now, since that would be the minimum we want. :)

I also avoid minor tweaks to a same costume to go with the latest official update in the Full Color Edition, the "main version" nowadays that decided which variation represent what we can call "the official manga colors", cause otherwise, we'd have like 50 different variations of Goku's dogi with all the different shades of yellow/orange, the boot laces changing colors, etc... Minor tint differences with slightly different shades do not count as a different costume. But striking color changes on a same costume do count as separate costumes (such as Vegeta and Trunks' black suits, Gohan's various training dogi, etc...)

I might add the TV-exclusive costumes at the end in a special section.
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Cold Skin wrote:COMPROMISE - Kaio Shin's definitive manga colors are a compromise between Toriyama's original vision and his revision of the character's look.
This one was a surprise on the Full Color version. I still don't understand why they didn't use the one from the Kanzenban. Am I to assume Toriyama approved this revision?
No, Toriyama didn't choose anything in the final color comics. It was the Shueisha staff who chose and often tried to offer a compromise between Toriyama and the familiar anime, so as to update and renew, yet not shock minds with colors that would be too far from the well-known anime (as well as including a few of their own artistic choices).

Kaio Shin is the perfect example of that: "let's make him feel new and true to Toriyama's latest revision by giving him a red skin and Kibito a blue skin, but let's catter to fans of the anime with the costume and not shock them with something ultimately too unfamiliar".

So yes, the manga has purple hair for Bulma, yellow "muscles" on Piccolo's arms, white hair for General Red, pink skin for Freezer, etc...
But at the same time, they don't want to scare off fans of the anime with colors that feel too unusual and they keep Karin white, Tao Pai Pai wears pink (when it's yellow on the Perfect Edition / Kanzenban), the Super Saiyan auras are golden once you go Super Saiyan 2 and beyond, Kaio was corrected at the last minute to have his more anime-friendly Kanzenban version, etc...

It's a constant compromise, which Kaio Shin illustrates just with his appearance.
I love those official manga colors, and I will jump on them as soon as they release them in France, but I still wished they had dared to shock minds, shake things up all the way without interference from the anime, with a full Kanzenban Kaio Shin and all other dary manga colors they tried to avoid.

But it would be too risky, people have known the anime for years in a certain way and primarly have those colors set in their minds, and would generally not easily accept anything that strongly goes against that.

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Luso Saiyan » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:19 pm

Cold Skin wrote:I love those official manga colors, and I will jump on them as soon as they release them in France, but I still wished they had dared to shock minds, shake things up all the way without interference from the anime, with a full Kanzenban Kaio Shin and all other dary manga colors they tried to avoid.
Same here. I bought the first volume under the assumption that they were being faithful to Toriyama's intent (Bulma's hair, Raditz's bands, Piccolo's muscles, green scouters, etc), but apparently that's not the case (at least not always)...

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:02 pm

I'll be honest, you make the best topics.
Thank you for this.
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

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Luso Saiyan wrote:
Cold Skin wrote:I love those official manga colors, and I will jump on them as soon as they release them in France, but I still wished they had dared to shock minds, shake things up all the way without interference from the anime, with a full Kanzenban Kaio Shin and all other dary manga colors they tried to avoid.
Same here. I bought the first volume under the assumption that they were being faithful to Toriyama's intent (Bulma's hair, Raditz's bands, Piccolo's muscles, green scouters, etc), but apparently that's not the case (at least not always)...
Wait the scouters are green on the Kanzenban?
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Luso Saiyan » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:18 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:Wait the scouters are green on the Kanzenban?
IIRC, all the scouters shown in color were green.

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Cold Skin » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:08 am

FortuneSSJ wrote:I'll be honest, you make the best topics.
Thank you for this.
And thank you for this comment, as well as everybody who complimented or will compliment those threads. (I say it once and for all to you guys so that I will not waste your time repeating "thanks for the nice comment" over and over again in future posts). :thumbup:

Glad to be useful with those database topics, or even some short articles I made as a reply to an existing thread sometimes. It's the icing on the cake when it's useful to the main website like the recent article on unfinished games (couldn't comment on it on the main page, so I take this occasion to say I'm honored to have my work be useful and even be cited), but even when those database threads stay on this forum only, I'm already just glad that it's useful to some people around to get an overview of specific aspects of the franchise, some things they might have not known, or some things that just didn't catch their attention before). 8)

So again, even if I don't reply to your nice comments, be sure I'm thankful whenever it looks like my work is useful to this community in one way or another. :thumbup:
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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:31 am

Bonus costumes for Son Gohan added.
I also added "Son Gohan (Cell Game)".

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Re: All (or most) manga/Toriyama costumes

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:52 am

There is a costume which appears in the anime, which is Goku with Raditz's armor (it's episode 20 IIRC). Since Toriyama drew many designs for that filler episode (such as Planet Vegeta and the Tsufurians) is there a possibility that he drew Goku with armor too? He looked really cool.
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