Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
mikey41 wrote:Letting your guard down will make you extrememly weak. Remember when Krillin threw a rock at SSJ Goku's head?
*cough*not*cough*cannon*cough*
It's canon not cannon. A manga example is Trunks knocking Majin Boo down and Vegeta distracted Cell.
I know, I just misspell it on purpose just to make fun of the word. Sometimes I think that word should be banned for life honestly.
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
I really reaaaaaaaaaally want the next movie to be a tournament one. All of the Gods of Destruction, Goku, and Vegeta. iSSJ Goku vs iSSJ Vegeta. A rematch between those two would sell itself.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Oh, SNAP! Just read the official review, and MAN am I friggin' happy right now.
Seeing that Vegeta was about to deal the final blow, and that he got to beat the living SHITAKE out of Frieza until he shriveled back down into his fourth form beforehand, aw MAN. This is just too good. I always wanted to see Vegeta get to beat the crap out of Frieza, and even though he didn't get to *kill* Frieza, revenge was served. With lack of a complex storyline aside, I am totally getting my butt into a theater to witness this badassery. THAT'S my Prince.
mogi67 wrote:I kind of view Dragon Ball the same way I view mythology. It can be convoluted, contradictory, but always a treasure.
kei17 wrote:Sorbet doesn't say Shisami is as strong as Zarbon and Dodoria. His line was a little ambiguous.
So it was one of those vague "he's on the same level as them" things? Like in regards to loyalty/usefulness/etc. and not necessarily strength?
If so, then that's definitely good news. I'm really, really, really, really not a "power level" guy, but Shisami's fight between Piccolo does seem awfully strange if we're meant to believe that the former is only as strong as Zarbon.
Hopefully this post comes off as more "story related" than "power level" related.
Overall, the summary sounds disappointing. Seems like it adds absolutely nothing to the DB series from a story standpoint and also fails in the fanservice department due to none of the lesser characters getting moments to shine aside from maybe Kuririn. A small sampling of the things that bothered me:
- It's super ridiculous that Freeza remembers and pays attention to everyone he met and (for the most part) killed on Namek, but does not care at all to even ask about the Saiyan who chopped him into pieces and was responsible for his suffering in Hell.
- How could Gohan possibly be so weak as to DIE from a single Freeza ki blast? And this was even before the golden powerup...
- There's no character development here. In fact, Vegeta's characterization in this film sounds like a total tragedy. Starting a fight with Goku because he wouldn't let him have a turn? And then apparently pussing out of actually fighting Freeza later on when Goku offers him the chance? It's all just a mess. Didn't Vegeta and Goku already learn to work together against Boo? Didn't Vegeta already throw away every last shred of pride he had left in BoG? Ugh...
- Rewinding time is the single lamest thing to be written into the DB story.
Do we have any pictures of SSJ+SSJG yet? The way the synopsis describes it, I'm picturing black hair in the shape of SSJ, with a blue tint or glow from the aura.
fadeddreams5 wrote:I really reaaaaaaaaaally want the next movie to be a tournament one. All of the Gods of Destruction, Goku, and Vegeta. iSSJ Goku vs iSSJ Vegeta. A rematch between those two would sell itself.
Dragon Ball has had plenty of tournaments. Dragon Ball needs to move on from those.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
AM Reflection wrote:Overall, the summary sounds disappointing. Seems like it adds absolutely nothing to the DB series from a story standpoint and also fails in the fanservice department due to none of the lesser characters getting moments to shine aside from maybe Kuririn. A small sampling of the things that bothered me:
- It's super ridiculous that Freeza remembers and pays attention to everyone he met and (for the most part) killed on Namek, but does not care at all to even ask about the Saiyan who chopped him into pieces and was responsible for his suffering in Hell.
- How could Gohan possibly be so weak as to DIE from a single Freeza ki blast? And this was even before the golden powerup...
- There's no character development here. In fact, Vegeta's characterization in this film sounds like a total tragedy. Starting a fight with Goku because he wouldn't let him have a turn? And then apparently pussing out of actually fighting Freeza later on when Goku offers him the chance? It's all just a mess. Didn't Vegeta and Goku already learn to work together against Boo? Didn't Vegeta already throw away every last shred of pride he had left in BoG? Ugh...
- Rewinding time is the single lamest thing to be written into the DB story.
It's actually worse considering it was before he even powered up to his 4th form.
AM Reflection wrote:- There's no character development here. In fact, Vegeta's characterization in this film sounds like a total tragedy. Starting a fight with Goku because he wouldn't let him have a turn? And then apparently pussing out of actually fighting Freeza later on when Goku offers him the chance? It's all just a mess. Didn't Vegeta and Goku already learn to work together against Boo? Didn't Vegeta already throw away every last shred of pride he had left in BoG? Ugh...
That was different. The power difference between Beerus and Vegeta in BoG was like a dinosaur VS an ant. Vegeta was smart enough to realize that he had no chance and there was no point.
But against Freeza here, him and Goku both powered up and they were all in the same league.
[i]"I have yet to show you, young warrior, what I'm truly capable of."[/i] - Cell
AM Reflection wrote:It's super ridiculous that Freeza remembers and pays attention to everyone he met and (for the most part) killed on Namek, but does not care at all to even ask about the Saiyan who chopped him into pieces and was responsible for his suffering in Hell.
Yeah, I gotta admit, that is kinda weird. I think Freeza was just obsessed with getting revenge on Goku due the fact he was first person to ever really humble Freeza. And that seemed to stick with Freeza more than the person that actually killed him.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Tennessaiyan wrote:Oh, SNAP! Just read the official review, and MAN am I friggin' happy right now.
Seeing that Vegeta was about to deal the final blow, and that he got to beat the living SHITAKE out of Freeza until he shriveled back down into his fourth form beforehand, aw MAN. This is just too good. I always wanted to see Vegeta get to beat the crap out of Freeza, and even though he didn't get to *kill* Freeza, revenge was served. With lack of a complex storyline aside, I am totally getting my butt into a theater to witness this badassery. THAT'S my Prince.
Too bad that he was too scared to fight Golden Freeza at full strength, and passed the buck to Goku.
Seriously, it's like people are purposefully blocking that part out.
So yeah, if you're really looking forward to Vegeta taken on an exhausted Freeza after being too scared to fight a fresh one, and still getting outplayed, then yeah, go ahead and knock yourself out. But let's not pretend like what we've been told is anything resembling a good showing for Vegeta.
fadeddreams5 wrote:I really reaaaaaaaaaally want the next movie to be a tournament one. All of the Gods of Destruction, Goku, and Vegeta. iSSJ Goku vs iSSJ Vegeta. A rematch between those two would sell itself.
Dragon Ball has had plenty of tournaments. Dragon Ball needs to move on from those.
DBZ never had a single one though. They were always interrupted.
Edit: Except the OtherWorld filler... which was awesome. =D
Plus, this could be a tournament with a greater significance, not a World Martial Arts Tournament.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
kei17 wrote:Sorbet doesn't say Shisami is as strong as Zarbon and Dodoria. His line was a little ambiguous.
So it was one of those vague "he's on the same level as them" things? Like in regards to loyalty/usefulness/etc. and not necessarily strength?
IIRC, his line was "Shisami and Tagoma are competent soldiers who can rank with Zarbon and Dodoria." So, "competent" can refer to their abilities other than strength, such as loyalties and leadership.
Tennessaiyan wrote:Oh, SNAP! Just read the official review, and MAN am I friggin' happy right now.
Seeing that Vegeta was about to deal the final blow, and that he got to beat the living SHITAKE out of Freeza until he shriveled back down into his fourth form beforehand, aw MAN. This is just too good. I always wanted to see Vegeta get to beat the crap out of Freeza, and even though he didn't get to *kill* Freeza, revenge was served. With lack of a complex storyline aside, I am totally getting my butt into a theater to witness this badassery. THAT'S my Prince.
Too bad that he was too scared to fight Golden Freeza at full strength, and passed the buck to Goku.
Seriously, it's like people are purposefully blocking that part out.
So yeah, if you're really looking forward to Vegeta taken on an exhausted Freeza after being too scared to fight a fresh one, and still getting outplayed, then yeah, go ahead and knock yourself out. But let's not pretend like what we've been told is anything resembling a good showing for Vegeta.
All I give credit is that he at least got uber powerful like Goku, and got to fight the main bad guy and beat his ass. That's about it. He has it better than the others who aren't Goku, but really nothing he did sounds badass at all. His Gohan wannabe LOLRAGETA boost sounds more badass than him in this movie.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Tennessaiyan wrote:Oh, SNAP! Just read the official review, and MAN am I friggin' happy right now.
Seeing that Vegeta was about to deal the final blow, and that he got to beat the living SHITAKE out of Freeza until he shriveled back down into his fourth form beforehand, aw MAN. This is just too good. I always wanted to see Vegeta get to beat the crap out of Freeza, and even though he didn't get to *kill* Freeza, revenge was served. With lack of a complex storyline aside, I am totally getting my butt into a theater to witness this badassery. THAT'S my Prince.
Too bad that he was too scared to fight Golden Freeza at full strength, and passed the buck to Goku.
Seriously, it's like people are purposefully blocking that part out.
So yeah, if you're really looking forward to Vegeta taken on an exhausted Freeza after being too scared to fight a fresh one, and still getting outplayed, then yeah, go ahead and knock yourself out. But let's not pretend like what we've been told is anything resembling a good showing for Vegeta.
It's pretty sad that all you can do is sit here and try and bait Vegeta fans. Too bad it isn't working.
I'm damn hyped to see Vegeta whoop and humiliate Freeza. Can't wait. Too bad it's the only thing I look forward to in this movie.
Too bad it's the only thing I look forward to in this movie. 
